What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

[HumousWhereTheHeartIs]

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

"Not a leap at all. Anyone who has a dash of intelligence knows better than to whitesplain racism"

@AirBubbleMe that sounds like an unfair accusation to one person.

The media has been really bad with Meghan (and Kate and Fergie!! at the time, oh my gosh the things Fergie got called), she just doesn't like criticism nor is used to it either. She looks like a very controlling individual and struggled to fit in the RF with all the rules and special circumstances for a family that is not your normal down the road crowd. Add to that the cultural gap and her manipulative traits and you have a bomb in your hands.

The Palace did not see it coming and thought they could tame her, and she thought she could become Diana II too and set her own rules. Nobody got what they wanted and they are all going down the pit together. Finally, Harry's judgement and wisdom has proven non existent. I don't put responsibility so much on her, as an outsider, but he got this completely out of hand in a very dumb way. His judgement is lacking and shows a lot of immaturity, who knows, probably as a result of his convoluted upbringing. He is also in need of attention, very much like her, but with a different tint. And he needs the money too! Lashing out at his Dad because he cut him off the Duchy's coffers was very telling indeed.

@IrmaFayLear

I am [hmmm] that you think “gorgeous” and “rich” are necessary qualities for a woman. That’s the vast majority of us completely damned!

The collective British people? Well, that would be you too then, presumably?

I didn't say they are necessary qualities. I said they are qualities the haters recognise that they lack in themselves. But don't get the truth get in the way of a good Megan-bash, eh?

Apparently it was only C who was scheduled to be at the event yesterday however W decided to go too to deal with any questions and support his wife .

@Stratfordplace

Re Mm’s $5000 dress, she did allegedlyhold a Sayonara Zara party and gave away her previous wardrobe.

What the wardrobe that Charles paid for? Why didn’t she auction them off for charity?

What has all this achieved ?
More division. As if Brexit wasn't bad enough.
Of course, racism should be called out and I hope that the person who said these things is named and able to explain and give their side of the story. The press and the palace should apologize for not dealing with Meghan's negative press and the whole ' who made who cry' could have been properly dealt with. They are also to blame here too, especially the Palace
The actual family rift will never heal :(
It'll be interesting to see if Harry comes to his mums statue unveiling or any funerals that will come up on time.
Unlikely I would imagine.
Lots of bitterness around going back decades.
It is sad.

@miserablecat

I'm surprised he said anything. When politicians are shouted at in a similar way they often just walk away and ignore it.

Apparently it's accepted protocol that the press don't ask awkward questions when royals are on official duties so he was probably caught unawares and didn't want to leave a question like 'are you a racist family' hanging.

I thought his answer was fine, Her Madge was probably annoyed tho.

@IrmaFayLear

I am [hmmm] that you think “gorgeous” and “rich” are necessary qualities for a woman. That’s the vast majority of us completely damned!

The collective British people? Well, that would be you too then, presumably?

'gorgeous' and 'rich' is the icing on top, that takes down the ammunition from the haters.

Doesn't stop them from calling a millionaire a gold digger though............. I have so say they have form.

Not a leap at all. Anyone who has a dash of intelligence knows better than to whitesplain racism Oh please, soundbite after soundbite.

I personally think this is a great opportunity and a turning point for the royal family as well as for creating a less racist society in the UK.

In the UK most public and private institutions, schools, unis, the NHS, companies the civil service, the third sector are taking part in what is commonly called decolonising efforts. Decolonising health, the curriculum and the workplace. Most of us will have had to do diversity training in recent months including training on unconscious bias.

Meghan's complaint can easily be used by the RF to turn around and implement all these diversity strategies across the workings of the 'firm'. They can look at their history and make a concerted effort to acknowledge how Colonialism has damaged countries and people. They can come up with a modern 21st century agenda for the royal family and make it fit with contemporary values while still fulfilling historic obligations. Make things transparent and learn from history.

I like having a monarchy. Meghan's public gossiping could be very handily used to change the RF's image from outdated and irrelevant to valuable in the 21st century. They just need the right processes and advisors.

As for M&H, they should be stripped of any royal title very much in line with a slimmed down monarchy and live happily ever after in the US, which is what they have chosen to do. Maybe Meghan could become a politician or something so that she feels she has got the power that she ought to have. Harry can be a SAH dad and look after the kids.

I'd be happy for the tabloid press to take a long hard look and change their xenophobic narrative too.

Meghan is a small fish in a big pond. The interview has caused ripples but the RF and Britain can very much benefit from this crisis and take it as a call to action for structural and image change.

One big achievement right here. It has helped other women of colour open up on the horrendous impact of misogyny and racism

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/jameela-jamil-piers-morgan-gmb-meghan-b1814989.html%3Famp

jameela felt suicidal too because if Piers and press coverage

‘May we never have to watch minorities have to go on mainstream news and have to defend their right to be treated with dignity and respect ever again’, she said

Increasingly it seems that everything has to be black or white. Not just in relation to Meghan and Harry but generally.

I don't hate Meghan (I don't hate anyone). I dislike the way she behaves. I dislike the lies she told in the Oprah interview. I dislike the attitude she appears to have towards the British people.

I also think she is stunningly beautiful. I think she has a great sense of style and wears beautiful clothes. She could wear a sack and it would look amazing. I imagine she is great fun to be with. I imagine she is a good, loving and caring mother.

They can come up with a modern 21st century agenda for the royal family and make it fit with contemporary values while still fulfilling historic obligations. Make things transparent and learn from history

They could, yes, and they may even pretend to, but I'd be amazed if it comes to much.
Despite the endless pretences, I'm not sure that the 21st century's a suitable place for the RF

Excellent post @PrePrepared - I agree with all your points.

@Sprining

jameela felt suicidal too because if Piers and press coverage

‘May we never have to watch minorities have to go on mainstream news and have to defend their right to be treated with dignity and respect ever again’, she said

Jameela has every right to speak up if she felt she was bullied but from what she is stating there is that she should be beyond any reproach for her expressing her very opinionated views because she is female and of colour.

I’m gobsmacked that anyone could even try to defend Danny Baker‘s tweet.

Between them, H&M have said they won’t reveal who said it as it will be damaging for that person, and won’t ever reveal exactly what was said. Instead, they’ve now damaged to whole family - resulting in millions of posts, across multiple platforms, all speculating and accusing. This is a shitty thing to do.

I also don’t understand why/how none of the Harpo production team picked up inconsistencies during the editing phase - time ing differences in when comment was made, M not seeing her passport (how did she make so many personal trips), Harry never having done bike rides with family, the “wedding’ that wasn’t, the whole title thing (Charles has been clear, for years, that the monarchy will be skimmed down once he’s in charge). On top of the useless questioning by Oprah, the lack of seeing/checking details shows pretty bloody useless production skills.

As pp have said, a lot of this lies with Harry - he rushed into it, he didn’t prepare her properly in the beginning and he didn’t support her enough throughout. He’s now totally alienated himself. And he’s a manipulative dick for exonerating the Queen. If the family/firm/institution are bad enough to throw all of this out there, then responsibility lies with the Queen as the head of the whole process. That’s a bit like saying a very well known online shopping company is a corrupt, non-tax paying abomination but that JB is an absolute sweetheart.

And, I’ve said it before, the comment about not seeing her passport/DL/keys again is bloody ridiculous. Thank God she wasn’t part of another royal family. Because there isn’t enough uproar about what is happening re Princess Latifa.

I agree with TonyGates. Meghan is beautiful and dresses so well. I must admit I am envious of that! And I agree that she looks like a brilliant mother.

But surely, surely we don’t have to be haters or lovers? Can’t her supporters admit that she hasn’t done everything well? I think the rf are an odd bunch to say the least and it’s obvious their image has been most carefully airbrushed over the years.

It’s a really horrible line to take that anyone who criticises Meghan is a raving racist and furthermore a staunch flag-waving royalist drinking out of a Coronation mug and sleeping under a Prince Andrew duvet cover.

Things are a little more nuanced. Or perhaps that’s an out-of-date notion now.

It’s very worrying that anyone who doesn’t like Meghan or question her are presumed automatically racist.

Please stop the inverse hypocrisy of trying to silence opinions. I am mixed race and believe it’s wrong.

When you only have one trump card, how many times can you play it before people forget it?
The interview was not as bad as the press are playing it up to be, most of us are like Ok, what was said was wrong, but they said it too cause waves, more than because they were upset. When you add on that lots of what they BOTH said does not add up, you start wondering when someone in the household will be given enough money or will feel that enough is enough and drop them both in it.
Meghan has fallen out with TWO families, Harry has spent 35 years loving his, yet in what 4 years Meghan has managed to cut this tie. This points to her having the problems.

@Topmum66

It’s very worrying that anyone who doesn’t like Meghan or question her are presumed automatically racist.

Please stop the inverse hypocrisy of trying to silence opinions. I am mixed race and believe it’s wrong.

Well said.

Excellent post, Irma; however we were told on (yet another) deleted thread that even "nuance" is a racist term, so don't be surprised if your comment gets deleted

So many sensible posts on here.

The hypocrisy to me is mind blowing, especially from Harry. Apart from Philip - Harry is really the only other senior Royal I can recall who has been publicly and openly racist in the past:

1. Dressing as a Nazi
2. Calling his work colleague a 'P*' on camera
3. Using the term 'rag head' to describe a Muslim colleague
4. Saying in the same video 'All is good in the empire'
5. When telling friends at a society event he had a new African girlfriend (Chelsy Davy) following it up with 'don't worry she isn't black' (or similar)

Yes, Harry does all these thing and he should have known better , and it proves what he said is true. He mirrors of what is going on inside. He lived in a sheltered life and this is what he picked up on.

governor in Virginia made a very bad decision in his past himself and is forever paying the price but he is changing some things for the better . He is listening and still got their votes. One hardest thing he did was order to remove a confederate statue off of public property. It made a lot of people angry but he did It for people whose ancestors have been enslaved.

Yes, it would be more convincing (and have way more impact on racism) if he had been willing to talk about his past actions and the process of re-evaluating the mind set in which he was brought up. I would have a lot of respect for that.

Not so much respect for 'somebody said something racist and it's mean'.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-troubling-treatment-of-piers-morgan