What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

[HumousWhereTheHeartIs]

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

@TonyGates

I've been very unimpressed by the failure of the Archbishop of Canterbury to comment.

Her comment about the wedding was sticking her finger up to the British people. Not nice at all.

I agree and think this by far the worst comment she made in the interview - even leaving aside the fact it's an obvious falsehood. It's a calculated "fuck you" to all the people that watched her wedding on TV and in person, and celebrated the day with her. HA!! It was just a scam!! We scammed you!! FOOLS!

“if you look at it Megan has a broken relationship to her family side now she is ruining Harry's relationship to his family... I feel Harry is under spell??? He should insist to Megan its a family issues and whatever problem they have Harry needs to discuss to his Grand mother the Queen...”

Why aim at Meghan? I can easily say look at how all the wives from royals have been treated over hundreds if not a thousand years.

If they just wanted to 'have their say' then, now that they have, they will go away to live the private life they wanted, right? I'll believe it when I see it....

@ChocShot90

This whole thing shows why people of colour don't come forward about racist incidents, because you get accused of being a liar, or taking things the wrong way or making up stuff for attention. I've seen this too many times. People are more offended about being called racist, than actually being racist. The fact that Piers Morgan had to leave his job because he accused Meghan of lying about her mental health rather than all the other racist bile he's spouted, shows how much of a priority actually tackling racism in the media is.

I believe Meghan and Harry's experience, but sadly when I heard they were doing an interview, I didn't understand why. I understand getting your side of the story across, but the public opinion has already been set, the media control the narrative and it won't change, just live your lives in peace and do what you can to protect your son and unborn child.

Harry has done the right thing standing by his wife, calling our racism in the RF/UK and gaining his freedom, but I fear for him in years to come, there will be regrets or resentment about what has been lost.

Harry calling out racism given his own history of using racial slurs?

I also don’t think you can carry out a church wedding anywhere but a registered place of worship. No back gardens etc. Perhaps they had a blessing but I doubt they were legally married

Just for clarity - I'm sure you are right for England, Scotland is different.
Scotland you can get married by a minister anywhere that they are willing to do it, if you can find a couple of witnesses and a minister willing to hike up Ben Nevis to marry you at the top, there's nothing to stop it happening.
It relates to an view of "the church" being a body of people who can gather anywhere rather than a physical building.

@rosetylersbiggun

The only reason people think Meghan's a bitch, a narcissist, difficult, is because they've been brainwashed by the media drip feeding poison and lies about her on a daily basis for years.

This is what i find weird theu truly dont know her personally so how would anyone have a true opnion on her.

What I don't understand is, what were they hoping to achieve by making up a lot of these things? If they stuck to facts throughout, I would have been less confused.

For example, the title thing - we all know Archie isn't entitled to the Prince title until Charles became King (much discussed George V rule)

The security - we all know there was security for Archie up until Canada (the pic of UK police with Meghan and Archie going on a walk). So that had nothing to do with the race or skin colour of Archie, and more to do with the choice of location (LA).

Why make up these half-truths though? What were they hoping to achieve?

PS: I am not a fan either way, but I find inconsistencies annoying in my left-brained thinking.

100% agree what a pack of lies about security issues... Royalties have awful lots of money esp Harry why not hire a private security lol.... and also Megan's claim about her mental state.... what???? H&M will not give her support... I thought Harry is the Ambasador about mental problems issues why he did not do anything about this ? why can they not hire a private psychiatrist???

“Why did Harry not point out Archie won't be a Prince till his Dad is King, and that Archie already has a Title”

IShe doesn’t need Harry to correct her, I think she already know that’s how it is supposed to done , it is obvious from her interview. But Someone told her that Archie will not be a prince after Charles take the throne.

Re the security issue, the former head of Royal Protection says their protection was withdrawn as they were no longer working Royals and that his officers wouldn’t be safe in a country where firearms were common, as his officers couldn’t be armed.

Charles has spoken of slimming down the monarchy for years.
At the moment the working Royals are, Queen, Her children and Spouses, and One Grandchild and Spouse (two if Harry hadn't left).

Even if Harry stayed as a working Royal Archie and siblings will grow up to be in exactly the same boat as Eugenie, Bea, Peter, Zara and Edward's children, minor Royals with a Royal connection but not working Royals, why give him a title to make life harder for him?

@Whythesadface

Good point, about RL. Also how funny that M has fallen out with all her family. That H managed to stay with his for 35 years. Classic wife cutting out his family to bind him to her.

Classic case of coercive control.

I just don’t understand why choose this time to air this on national tv whilst pregnant when you’ve previously had a miscarriage, to endure the unnecessary stress that it will cause? I certainly would not want to be raking over past hurt and facing the backlash of such a public interview when carrying a baby - I’d want to have a peaceful pregnancy as possible especially following a loss... Not to mention inconsiderate timing for the Queen dealing with the aftermath when Philip is currently in hospital.

@Lockdownbear

Charles has spoken of slimming down the monarchy for years. At the moment the working Royals are, Queen, Her children and Spouses, and One Grandchild and Spouse (two if Harry hadn't left).

Even if Harry stayed as a working Royal Archie and siblings will grow up to be in exactly the same boat as Eugenie, Bea, Peter, Zara and Edward's children, minor Royals with a Royal connection but not working Royals, why give him a title to make life harder for him?

Agree and I really like the idea of a Sweden-style slimmed down monarchy.

But I still don't get why someone so visible and on the world stage will lie about these things. And the whole of twitter seems to believe it as true!

I personally think Harry is an individual with a lot of issues, many of which will never be resolved. Meghan, I guess she feels slighted and hurt and she is used to commanding the spotlight so isn't about to let the RF get one over on her. So this is her way of showing that.

But in both their cases, it always seems to involve a noticeable pattern of falling out with people, often family members, and never speaking to them again, but choosing to surround themselves with celebrities and the trappings of wealth and fame instead.

I hope it brings them happiness. They certainly have a great deal to be happy about.

Anyone complaining about Meghan acting needs to look at the photos of William calling the paps so they could take pictures of him driving around pretending to cry.

Shame William threw his sister in law under a bus or she could have given him some acting tips.

Just imagine if they ever ended up divorcing in the future. Harry would be wary to return to his family and would have to live in the States like it or not (I realise this is conjecture).

Several people have asked about the relevance of the chicken coop.

I did have a thought about this, I'm pretty sure that Meghan said that these are rescue chickens and that she likes to rescue things, we know that she sees the world through stories ( I have sympathy for this, the world needs story tellers) , I think that in her narrative she has rescued Harry and it fits in with her view of herself as a rescuer.

I really don't understand what they wanted to achieve.

They hate the press but have thrown themselves back into the Lions den by doing this interview its all the press have talked about for days.

I can't wait for the coverage to stop far more important things for the news report

They want to make money！Thats it！

@Manzanilla55

Just imagine if they ever ended up divorcing in the future. Harry would be wary to return to his family and would have to live in the States like it or not (I realise this is conjecture).

I've been sitting wondering how long the marriage will last. I think he'll end up grovelling to his Dad and brother, wither or not he ends up back in the Firm as a working Royal will depend upon many things including public feelings and the workload of the Seniors at the time.

Meghan was an American actress, she was used to managing her own social media and conducting interviews about her personal life to tell her side of the story if the press were making things up about her.

Then suddenly those options are taken away and she's told to just stay silent, let people write whatever they want. The press knew she couldn't respond so literally just wrote anything and everything about her because it sold papers.

It must have been a difficult change and would grate on me enormously too, I would be bursting to get my 'voice' back so can definitely see why she wanted to do this.

@Coffeeandcocopops

How does M get on with her own family? I think that’s a red flag.

A red flag for what? In my experience, people go NC/LC with their families for lots of reasons. There are families who refuse to even consider their own behaviour as abusive, or to acknowledge that anyone within their own family could be abusive, no matter what form that abuse takes. A cursory glance through some of the threads in MN alone is enough to demonstrate how horribly some people behave towards others.

This thread is a prime example of why people *don't speak out.

"I don't believe them."

"Whataboutism".

And so on.....

Upon entering the RF, Meghan instantly challenged the hierarchies, age old principles and systems of the Monarchy. She didn't want to play second fiddle but expected to be a super star in her now right. That is not how the royal family operates, it is completely hierarchical. Had she just slotted in kept her head down for few years and done lost of great charity work especially with disadvantaged people from minority backgrounds she could have become the people's princess number 2. She blew it because she was used to having a lot of power as part of her more recent roles, especially on SUITS. Vanity comes before the fall.

See this is what I used to think before he interview - not as directly as this. Above is the extreme version because I cant be bothered to write it out as new thoughts are long...

Now I think she genuinely did have a mental health crisis. I think she did not have good counsel, neither with her friends ringing her saying 'its really bad' (what respectable person gives takes seriously what the sun and the daily mail write), nor harry who was feeding her complaints about his family with no context of RF precedence, with not taking her out anywhere unofficially (when in UK the papers do not buy pap pictures). I feel incredibly sad about it all and concerned she is going to have another crisis.

I previously had a serious mental health crisis and its something you are terrified of triggering again. I know the circumstances that led to my previous crisis and so I avoid replicating that situation as much as possible. I am concerned from what they said that her crisis was triggered by isolation, poor counsel, pregnancy and public scrutiny/trashing. This Oprah interview seems to be inviting a more extreme replication of those exact same circumstances. I am surprised Meghan thought this a good idea and surprised Harry didnt talk her out of it. And that is the kind way round - if Harry instigated this then he is utter trash for putting his wife at risk of another crisis like this.

There is no double meaning of the chicken coop other than she want to show she is down to earth type of girl