What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

[HumousWhereTheHeartIs]

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

Well both families are well and truly alienated from the couple now. Meghan’s relationship with her family (other than her mum) is questionable at best. Now they have cut off Harry’s family too. They wanted Archie to be a Prince, they want money from the RF ... and comes out with a load of vituperative accusations.
I always liked PH but the Queen’s dignified response puts the two of them to shame.

I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but did anyone else pick up on Meghan's claim that, on learning Philip was ill, she rang the Queen to check in?

Yet again I can't know since I wasn't there, but at this stage I'd be very surprised if HMQ was even prepared to take her call - which would be easy enough to avoid since I doubt she answers her own phone directly

Attention and because she didn't get her way she believes this will pay them back. Oh and money ...

Yet again I can't know since I wasn't there, but at this stage I'd be very surprised if HMQ was even prepared to take her call - which would be easy enough to avoid since I doubt she answers her own phone directly

Could you imagine the Queen answering the phone, the way her generation do, by answering with the phone number
But I can't imagine that she took the call either. I know it's her DGranddaughter - In -law but still.

Responses do indicate a serious problem with how people’s perspectives are tainted by the media. Many view Meghan as an aggressive, kaniving, fame hungry woman only out for Harry’s money and status... I’m sure there are women out there like that but the reality is that’s how she’s been portrayed in the media which uses good old misogyny stereotypes which people are more than happy to pick up and run with. She arrived in the palace and her passport and personal things were taken off her. She made headline news too much that they “advised” her to stay inside and essentially cut her off from support. She asked for help and no one was willing to give it. Harry said he was too ashamed to have conversations with his family about it. She was told she’d be protected but actually she was used as a good distraction from Andrew. This isn’t just a family, it’s a family with a hierarchy and rules and sounds like a horrendous pressure pot. She should have been enabled to address concerns direct and privately but that’s not how it works in that family. I am not a huge Meghan fan, but she’s had a raw deal and I think putting the truth out (even though I agree it’s only her side of the truth) I hope has been kathartic for her and I wish them both well in the future.

Sittingonabench so she says

This whole thing shows why people of colour don't come forward about racist incidents, because you get accused of being a liar, or taking things the wrong way or making up stuff for attention. I've seen this too many times. People are more offended about being called racist, than actually being racist. The fact that Piers Morgan had to leave his job because he accused Meghan of lying about her mental health rather than all the other racist bile he's spouted, shows how much of a priority actually tackling racism in the media is.

I believe Meghan and Harry's experience, but sadly when I heard they were doing an interview, I didn't understand why. I understand getting your side of the story across, but the public opinion has already been set, the media control the narrative and it won't change, just live your lives in peace and do what you can to protect your son and unborn child.

Harry has done the right thing standing by his wife, calling our racism in the RF/UK and gaining his freedom, but I fear for him in years to come, there will be regrets or resentment about what has been lost.

I have given more time than I ought to speculation on this but to me there is a lot of difference between:
I wonder what colour baby’s skin will be
And
Oh I hope the baby isn’t dark skinned.
My dil is Turkish my dgd is beautiful and when we wondered about who the baby would look like my dil hoped the baby would have my son’s curls....

Meghan was attacked and smeared by her own in-laws as part of a sick media game.

The royals (or rather their employees on their orders) literally phone up the tabloids to plant lies in the tabloids about other royals, either to control them or to damage someone who's more popular than they should be or as a bribe to ensure the tabloids kill a story about a higher royal.

Why shouldn't Meghan expose the abuse she's suffered?

Suspect It’s Commercial ...... got to stay relevant for all their Spotify and Netflix deals . Big house and staff to support . It was all fine until they were criticised for their globe trotting on private jets while promoting green credentials. Assume they had their passports with them .

The only reason people think Meghan's a bitch, a narcissist, difficult, is because they've been brainwashed by the media drip feeding poison and lies about her on a daily basis for years.

Cam77 ‘ I have to fund the toxic parasitic institution AKA The British Royal Family no matter where the individuals live. I'm glad Harry and Meghan have removed themselves from the epicentre.’

Are you aware how much Monarchy brings to British economy every year? Over 1.5 billion, which far outweighs their cost. Do not think you are actually funding them. But it would be wrong for British public to fund Prince in the USA. H&M escaped ‘toxic environment’, fair enough, but no need to throw their family under the bus with such publicity, which will obviously generate a healthy income for them.

It does seeem that many of the difficulties Meghan faced in becoming part of the Royal family are down to Harry's failure to explain the expectations in depth. I'd put that down to Harry not being aware of just how deeply he is himself enmeshed in his family and country's culture. The fish doesn't know it is swimming in water. It show in all the relatively trivial things like curtesying and the deeper one like the relationship between brothers and father in line of succession. Maybe he thought he could be romantic and love conquers all (like his great uncle David).

I have no idea how much of the history of his family he may have studied but it seems to me that to be a successful monarch as Elizabeth 2 has you need a piece or shard of ice in your heart. She dedicated her life to her country whether short or long. The results of that are not necessarily nice or pretty as seen in her family life.

It was all fine until they were criticised for their globe trotting on private jets while promoting green credentials.

That literally never happened (Meghan has never spoken about climate change and William and Charles have lectured about climate change ten times more while using private jets ten times more) and the onslaught of hate and abuse, and the Palace directly ordering the media to print nasty stories about her, started long before any of that.

People make up any old shite to justify their hatred of a black woman who's been relentlessly racially abused and smeared since the day it was announced she was dating Harry.

Are you aware how much Monarchy brings to British economy every year?

1. No they don't.

1. We'd get far more money if we kicked them out and seized all their palaces and jewels and opened all the palaces to the public year-round. Versailles is still one of the top tourist attractions in the world. The most popular royal tourist attractions are historical, not current.

‘Are you aware how much Monarchy brings to British economy every year?

1. No they don't.
2. We'd get far more money if we kicked them out and seized all their palaces and jewels and opened all the palaces to the public year-round. Versailles is still one of the top tourist attractions in the world. The most popular royal tourist attractions are historical, not current.’

Really? Just like that? Please do some research on the subject.

ChocShot I think that most people would absolutely acknowledge that racism played a part in Meghan's treatment at the hands of the RF and the media, but this long thread shows that there are many very valid reasons why people are not onside with Meghan and Harry now. There seems to have been a basic lack of knowledge on her part - for which her husband must bear massive responsibility - about the family and the life she was getting involved in.

Her treatment in the media was shocking and absolutely needs to be called out in the strongest terms, but her justified complaints about that have now been mixed in with grievances about titles and taxpayer funded security which smack of misplaced entitlement and false expectations and a failure to read the room. (UK taxpayers can't even afford to give NHS workers more than a paltry pay rise.)

I really don't think it's true that public opinion has been set, or that the media control the narrative these days when social media is increasingly powerful and influential. They have got a huge amount of support from both MSM and SM since the interview and I'm sure it feels like a win for them at the moment. I'm just not so certain that it's long term effects will seem so positive.

Read most of the thread.
While I feel sorry for how M & H feel, I do think they are spreading it a bit thick.
Harry said that the skin colour was mentioned very early in their relationship, so NOT while M was carrying the baby.
Why did Harry not point out Archie won't be a Prince till his Dad is King, and that Archie already has a Title, but they said they want it to be Mister.
Mental Health, Harry said he has spent a lot on Counselling, but she didn't know who to talk to, Her doctor maybe, the one looking after a Pregnant mum.
I think they are a one trick pony, and unless they can find a reason to be pitied they will dissapear from news feeds, and they don't want that,
This won't be their LAST word, bet you a beer on that.

@rosetylersbiggun

The only reason people think Meghan's a bitch, a narcissist, difficult, is because they've been brainwashed by the media drip feeding poison and lies about her on a daily basis for years.

Well, how else are they going to form an opinion on a stranger?

And besides, MM has just showed us in her own words in an interview controlled by her.... How very important she thinks she is, as well as bending the truth to suit her narrative...

@rosetylersbiggun

Meghan was attacked and smeared by her own in-laws as part of a sick media game.

The royals (or rather their employees on their orders) literally phone up the tabloids to plant lies in the tabloids about other royals, either to control them or to damage someone who's more popular than they should be or as a bribe to ensure the tabloids kill a story about a higher royal.

Why shouldn't Meghan expose the abuse she's suffered?

She should.

But she also shouldn't lie and/or bend the truth to suit her narrative.

It makes her not a very credible as a witness when she isn't completely honest and twists things.

@Youngatheart00

I also don’t think you can carry out a church wedding anywhere but a registered place of worship. No back gardens etc. Perhaps they had a blessing but I doubt they were legally married

Perhaps she was getting confused with real life and the Little Mermaid?

True... if you look at it Megan has a broken relationship to her family side now she is ruining Harry's relationship to his family... I feel Harry is under spell??? He should insist to Megan its a family issues and whatever problem they have Harry needs to discuss to his Grand mother the Queen...

Good point, about RL.
Also how funny that M has fallen out with all her family.
That H managed to stay with his for 35 years.
Classic wife cutting out his family to bind him to her.

Why did Harry not point out Archie won't be a Prince till his Dad is King, and that Archie already has a Title, but they said they want it to be Mister

Could the gripe over Archie's title really be because H&M have effectively walked away from the job and been stripped of their own titles?
They did not expect that to happen. They jumped decided they weren't staying in the UK.

I don't believe it's all about security. And those lower down the pecking order not having security paid for.
I'd doubt all the Queens Grandchildren have 24hr security. In fact maybe her son Andy wouldn't be in so much bother if he'd had 24hr babysitters /security

@rosetylersbiggun - nothing you say makes any sense.

Meghan was seen as a great asset . What on earth would the RF have to gain by making her miserable or uncomfortable, let alone unpopular. I don’t doubt that there was a mismatch of expectations and poor communication, but your assertions are rather over-the-top and ill thought out.