It was “, 'a bit naughty' to imply Archie 'couldn't be a prince because of the possible colour of his skin' when it was due to strict rules,...”

[RickiTarr]

Hugo Vickers made me laugh with his phrasing. So British to say “a bit naughty”.

Also, seriously high lights how many people don’t understand the rules or can’t explain the rules well, and no American has a hope of grasping our quaint & complicated rules and institutions, really.

Sorry, it’s the Daily Fail, but funny.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9340545/Why-Meghan-Markle-bit-naughty-referring-Archies-skin-colour-prince-discussion.html

I have to say, the interview has left me thinking that if she posted on here about him, about how unprepared she was and how he didn’t tell anyone in his family about her struggles she’d be told to LTB.

I think you have a point there.

"Tyler Perry Provided Security And Housing For Meghan And Harry When The Royals Wouldn't"
Although I don't really see an issue with this?
They wanted to live somewhere other than the UK and not do the work that the Royals do.
They are perfectly entitled to make that choice but they can't really expect bed and board in that case.

The odd thing I found was that she assumed anyone speculating on the skin colour of her baby was racist - I've had exactly that conversation with friends expecting a mixed race child instigated by them as a "I wonder" type conversation not linked to any kind of prejudice. Just like a blonde haired blue eyed expecting with a dark haired brown eyed person wonder. It's possible to be interested without it being racist

@JustLyra

Also the Sweden situation isn’t comparable as they didn’t have their Prince/ss titles removed, just their HRH. They were removed from the royal house and are not expected to do royal duties. That was partly about streamlining, but also massively in part to do with issues rising with Princess Madeleine’s children not being educated in Sweden, which is part of the rules of being a royal family member there. Not a similar situation at all.

Thanks @JustLyra for that info.

@RickiTarr

I have to say, the interview has left me thinking that if she posted on here about him, about how unprepared she was and how he didn’t tell anyone in his family about her struggles she’d be told to LTB.

I think you have a point there.

Chelsea and Cressida both dumped him because they didn’t want the hassles and stresses that come with being royal.

You have to wonder how much he encouraged any future girlfriend to research what life in his family was like.

I mean, it wasn't the only reason. However it sounds like there was a lot more racism behind it.

Typical daily fail ;)

@minniemoocher

The odd thing I found was that she assumed anyone speculating on the skin colour of her baby was racist - I've had exactly that conversation with friends expecting a mixed race child instigated by them as a "I wonder" type conversation not linked to any kind of prejudice. Just like a blonde haired blue eyed expecting with a dark haired brown eyed person wonder. It's possible to be interested without it being racist

Yes but come on. It's a bit different.

If Archie was a Prince he would receive security..... finishing that sentence...... at the expense of the British tax payer as opposed to out of his parents allowance.

Also, I would like to know what Harry was doing while HIS wife was suicidal and suffering with her mental health.

@BellamyBells

I mean, it wasn't the only reason. However it sounds like there was a lot more racism behind it.

Typical daily fail ;)

IDK how we are supposed to separate the different strands out and discern what was and what was not connected to what else.

I agree though that Vickers and the DM never change.

But why is is different @BellamyBells? We haven't been told what exactly was said, in fact they couldn't get their facts right when it was mentioned.

Chelsea and Cressida both dumped him because they didn’t want the hassles and stresses that come with being royal.

You have to wonder how much he encouraged any future girlfriend to research what life in his family was like.

Yes I can see that. He was obviously a anting to settle down for a long time with no takers. Maybe he even consciously thought that a “can do” American was what he needed to not be intimidated by it all.

I do understand what he said about not being able to see from the inside that he was trapped, though. Isn’t it a basic tenet of psychotherapy that your childhood, however dysfunctional, sets your barometer of what’s “normal”?

The bit that surprised me was that Meghan claimed to know so much detail about how titles are allocated

For someone who'd allegedly done no research before marrying into the RF, I thought that quite impressive

For years maybe even decades Charles has been talking about sliming the RF ...

Probably the best typo on the thread

Though taking it at face value, some of us feel he already does ...

'The odd thing I found was that she assumed anyone speculating on the skin colour of her baby was racist'

The thing I found odd was it was all third hand. She didn't hear it, H did but told half a story possibly incorrectly. He said it was before they were married, she said it was when she was pregnant.

It could well be untrue or misunderstood. Bit like the reporting by the very media they loathe.

Why can they throw these claims around yet when people do it to the they are so outraged. They've caused such division and surely hurt all the members of his family. 'Love always wins' my arse.

I don't think it's unreasonable to give a potential spouse the time to assess whether they are mentally resilient enough to withstand the pressures of royal life - the invasions of privacy, the restrictions of protocol, the lack of an independent voice, the sustained media critique - before they marry into it. This of course means those pressures need to be clearly and uncompromisingly spelled out.

I absolutely wouldn't want my dd to marry into the RF.
I would be highlighting the extreme pressures they would be put under and how constrained their lives would be.
It is a very odd and in many ways a very difficult life.

@Iamdobby63

If Archie was a Prince he would receive security..... finishing that sentence...... at the expense of the British tax payer as opposed to out of his parents allowance.

Also, I would like to know what Harry was doing while HIS wife was suicidal and suffering with her mental health.

Princess Eugenie and Princess Beatrice don't get security do they? I remember something a while ago about Andrew not being happy about it. It was definitely suggested but it might not have happened but doesn't sound like it is automatic.

I agree about Harry, total disgrace to be too embarrassed to get some support for her. He can't say he didn't know how as he was one of the patrons of Heads Together, a mental health charity. How ironic.

Just realised he would be a prince they are princesses, please don't tell me security is automatic for a prince but not a princess.

Princess Margret's (Queen's sister) children weren't Princes and Princesses

@JustLyra

If he needs protection then it should be given. The Cambridge children don’t get it because George is going to be King, they get it because they need it.

That, especially when at the time Harry and Meghan were working royals, should have been the only criteria for the child getting or not getting it.

If the rules on it being based on need have changed then that should be public knowledge. We don’t give people protection here based on their title or relationship with the public. They give it on need.

As a baby wouldn't his parents security cover him? Different if he was at school like George and Charlotte but as a baby who would have been living at Windsor or Kensington Palace surely there would have been plenty of security around.

@ancientgran

Just realised he would be a prince they are princesses, please don't tell me security is automatic for a prince but not a princess.

No. B&E lost their police protection and their future roles as “FT working royals” in a huge fight between Charles and Andrew that dragged on for years. It was part of the “Way Ahead Group” plan to streamline the monarchy and it’s been part of 25-30 year plan.

@ancientgran No they don’t, I believe it was due to cut backs... too many hangers on at a cost to the tax payer. Equally it throws Megan’s claim of wanting Archie to be a Prince (rather than another title I’m sure he would have been given) so he would automatically be given security.

I am convinced that colour had nothing to do with that decision.

@RickiTarr Thanks, I did remember Andrew was upset. So it isn't automatic that a prince or princess gets security then.