So, do you believe the royal couples revelations made tonight?

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I did. felt more authentic than I've expected. You?

I'm disappointed Oprah didn't ask more juicy questions. For example, what her relationship is like with her dad. Why did she only have her mum at her wedding.

It was all just about crucifying the Royal Family

and what's with the chickens? So weird

Not really. Neither have a firm grasp on reality.....as proven by the story about getting married 3 days before the wedding which has now being found to be total bollocks.

I think they believe they are that hard done by and that everyone is out to get them that they twist stuff to suit their narrative and probably believe it themselves.

@AviciaJones Archie wouldn't have been a prince. The rules of succession don't work that way. Only children and grandchildren of the monarch are princes/princesses. Plus the children of the Prince of Wales which covers the Cambridges. None of the other great grandchildren of the Queen are princes.

Yes, exactly. I understood this whole part to be about the press reporting, and the way the RF expected her to suck up being painted as an evil diva making Kate cry, when the reality is in a stressful week kate was a bit of a cow, said sorry and they all moved on. Seemed clear to me that meghan wasn't moaning about kate making her cry, she was upset about a story being leaked in a way that lied and then being told no one would even attempt.to set it straight. I'd be fucked off about that

I certainly do believe that she's been treated badly by the press and that the RF have sat back and allowed that to happen. I have no great love for the RF but I acknowledge that I don't know any of them and I wasn't there so still think that a lot of what was said is down to interpretation.

How do we know?
If they lied to the whole world pretending to be getting married when they were already hitched then the whole thing is a big fat lie.

I think M is a master of self delusion. I don’t think she has much ability to empathise or be self critical. I think she believes what she says but it’s not the whole truth. She twists the facts to suit her narrative. I think he is very spoilt. Even Oprah was bristling as he talked about being trapped. The expectation that his security would be paid for even when he leaves the country and stops being a working Royal is just staggering .

@SoulofanAggron

Absolutely not.

And I think they'll split up in a couple of years and Harry'll come crawling back. But unfortunately his nan and grandad probably won't live to see it.

Why do you think they will split up? Do you also think Kate and W will split up? Why all this negative thoughts towards them. Is it because Harry don't like chickens?

I learnt alot in this interview and it makes me see that Harry wishes for things that regular people would, and that he and Meghan have been treated badly. It made me feel very emotional hearing some of the things they said. Wish the best for them.

I think the tabloids are guilty of shit behaviour and that needs dealing with.

However I think both him and her are massive, privileged winging drama queens.

The big racist reveal can also be interpreted differently. I am married to a black man. When I was expecting my first child my mother said 'What colour do you think he'll be' I said that i thought he would be cappuccino colour from the experience of other friends in mixed race marriages .

My mothers question wasn't 'racist' it was a question about race . From someone asking a question. Someone who has loved their mixed race grandchildren with every fibre of her being and is definitely not racist.

It's all in the content of the question and as Meghan repeated this as secondhand news from her husband , we will never know the context of the conversation.

No, some has already been disproved. They knew when they asked to step back they wouldn’t get any money, and at 36 why should his father pay when they have millions between them. Meghan had plenty of help when she started, and was given opportunities Kate wasn’t when she was engaged to William (eg staying at Sandringham etc). I think the RF had learnt from Diana, but where not going to change protocols because Meghan didn’t like them. It’s sad that they feel the need to discuss everything like this, they know that there are two sides to every story, but the RF won’t be able to put their side out there

It’s just so sad they are prepared to rip the family apart, with Meghan already having done that to her own family

Wasn’t there a cousin on Diana’s side of the family who was the spitting image of Harry when they were young

Not really. Neither have a firm grasp on reality.....as proven by the story about getting married 3 days before the wedding which has now being found to be total bollocks.

Has that been found to be bollocks? I did think when she said, “just me, him
and the Archbishop in the garden” or whatever ... don’t you need 2 witnesses?

I don't believe them. Not one bit.

@Littlemissweepy

*Not really. Neither have a firm grasp on reality.....as proven by the story about getting married 3 days before the wedding which has now being found to be total bollocks.*

Has that been found to be bollocks? I did think when she said, “just me, him
and the Archbishop in the garden” or whatever ... don’t you need 2 witnesses?

Meghan said: 'You know, three days before our wedding, we got married. No one knows that... We called the Archbishop and we just said, 'Look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world but we want our union between us.'

Fact check: Unlikely

Church of England marriages require at least two witnesses and the public must also have unrestricted access to the building during any marriage ceremony to allow for valid objections against the marriage.

At the time the couple were living in the grounds of Kensington Palace, and their residence is off limits to the public.

A couple who are already lawfully married cannot choose to re-marry each other, unless there is some doubt as to the validity of the earlier marriage

@LoisWilkersonslastnerve

I don't think they would lie about serious issues like racism and suicide. What a mess.

Then you have clearly only met very decent and honest people

No.

There are lies somewhere about the so-called private wedding. You can’t have it in a private location and you can’t have it without witnesses. You also can’t remarry the same person, only have a blessing/confirmation which has to be handled differently. The wedding register would also have to bear the true date.

She also misled Oprah over the titles, claiming racism was the reason for it, which is a blatant lie.

Based on two things which can be objectively checked, and both are found to be either lies or wild exaggerations of the truth, I believe it casts genuine doubt over the truthfulness of the rest of the interview.

I believe there are scraps of truth but it’s largely all been embellished for their role as perpetual victims.

Also, aside from that, I think their claims of wanting to build bridges are a lie. You don’t do a hatchet job on your family if this is the case. Harry says his family are deeply scared of tabloid press - so he does this? Nice.

I think it was more interesting about Harry than Megan tbh. He obviously just really misses his mum - that talk of 'other forces' and saying that having her money was almost like Diana 'knew' this would happen, so had prepared this safety net for him. He's building this narrative about her around him and I feel for him in that respect tbh. He obviously is furious with his dad for his part in the appauling treatment of his mum and can't really get past that.

A couple of things that struck me which I haven't read enough to know if they've been answered, but if Meghan didn't read her press then why was she so upset and suicidal - I think I must have missed that explanation in the interview.

Also, I thought it was really ODD that she called Sarah Ferguson, Fergie. I thought that was a tabloid name? If she had not really met the family is that how they would have introduced her?

Oh, and finally also - v confused about the Archbishop just being called up and then able to marry them - I mean, as the boss of the C of E surely there's a protocol he has to follow - like the banns being published in the building of the wedding? I dunno. I wish Oprah had let them finish their sentences or asked specifics. I know how they FEEL but there was no real drilling down.

I applaud them though. Having paid for the RF, I am very happy to be entertained by them.

That just sounds a bit like a wedding rehearsal - which is not especially uncommon even for ordinary mortals like us.

Despite being stressed, and Meghan's gracious account re: Kate and the flower girl dresses etc, we come away with feeling that Kate is at fault and shouldn't have let Meghan take one for the team on some level. This negative feeling stays and possibly grows as time passes, albeit subconsciously.

I wonder how much was orchestrated to provoke a response (?). Is it incredibly clever and even the Little Mermaid analogy, that Meghan happened to catch on the TV that day, multi layered and faceted?

I do realise that Meghan was quite right to tell the story re: Kate, as the injustice will rankle too, so it's all very difficult. What's real, what's contrived, etc?

Who put it all together and helped them script/plan?

No. I didn't watch it but saw clips today. I think they have created between them what they believe is a truth but it is far from the truth. Harry is just dim and easily convinced because he is besotted. I am embarrassed for him that he talks such utter shite.In one clip I heard him complain that he was no longer supported financially - I can not believe he actually expected to be! Her claim that Archie was discriminated against by not being given the title of Prince when he was 'entitled to it' is complete rubbish. He is not entitled to it in any way but will be when Charles becomes King. They want the titles to trade off but not the duty or responsibility that comes with it. It is time HM The Queen removed their titles and Harry's place in the line of accession.
The only bit I thought likely to be true is that they apparently said the Press is bigoted and racist. I would agree that the Daily Mail is incredibly racist.

@lobster12

I'm disappointed Oprah didn't ask more juicy questions. For example, what her relationship is like with her dad. Why did she only have her mum at her wedding.

It was all just about crucifying the Royal Family

Totally... The sister wasn't mentioned either although she predicted the whole fall out would absolutely happen within a couple of years of them marrying...

Exactly my besties experience with her mother and mixed kids. She loves the kids to bits but she is a hairdresser and said do you think the baby will have Afro hair?

As far as it goes my inlaws have been predicting the end of our relationship for 21 years. We're now no contact but I know for a fact she's still telling people it won't last 🙄