So, do you believe the royal couples revelations made tonight?

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I did. felt more authentic than I've expected. You?

@wewillmeetagain a huge wedding with the entire whole world looking at you, discussing your every detail, family drama and conflicts (father and toxic SS), marying into a whole new world of archaic rules and traditions that you know nothing about... yeah not stressful at all!

I believed more than I expected to. However, there are two sides to every story and I await the Palace’s version for balance. I do hope it doesn’t develop into an internecine war of some sort

Kate has lots of helpers, nannies, family support on both sides, lots of money and servants, how fricking hard could it be!?

No. I'm sure there are nuggets of truth in there (the most believable lies always contain some truths) but it's all viewed through the lens of victimhood, which in my view never helps anyone. Do they believe what they said? Sure. Does that mean it's true? No.

The main reason why I don't believe them though is that they said they wanted a quiet life and that's clearly a lie if they're signing deals with Netflix and going on Oprah....

The showing off babies on the steps is not even that old a tradition. The Queen had her babies at home, two as Princess Elizabeth and two as Queen.

Diana then Fergie were the first to show off babies on those steps.
I don't recall any photos of Anne or Sophie just after they gave birth.

Really who the heck could be bothered to get hair done, makeup on, heals on just after giving birth?

@ChloeCrocodile

Megan said it was while she was pregnant that they were told there was not going to be security for Archie.

Why would a newborn baby need separate security?! Surely he would always be with his mother and / or father. Separate security only really needs to be considered once older.

Maybe they meant extra security? I dunno, it's what they said.

[quote NeedanIdea]@wewillmeetagain a huge wedding with the entire whole world looking at you, discussing your every detail, family drama and conflicts (father and toxic SS), marying into a whole new world of archaic rules and traditions that you know nothing about... yeah not stressful at all![/quote]
She treated her father appallingly! Left him to fend for himself with the press and hadn't even bothered to introduce him to her husband to be! He made a mistake with the press and she then completely disowned him, she brought all the stress on herself!

It is what they believe - where the truth lies no one knows.

We all have issues with our families most of do not take adverts out on social media to publicise them. We either avoid those elements we do not like or we get on with life.

Have no issue with them leaving, do have issue with them continuing to make monies from the thing they wanted to leave but not contributing to the work. They want privacy but don't want publicity except on their terms and to drive their next scheme.

Don't believe some of this - they both know how to access mental health support and if they don't what are they advocating for.
And definitiely struggle with the concept that being rude to MM was always racist but just rude to KM - there is a double standard there - I recall issues about her Jewish relatives being brought up at one point.

Actually find the whole thing quite sad for both of them - cut themselves off from both their families but they are in a little world of their own, being fed propaganda by people who are no more looking out for them than they perceive the RF weren't

How did she leave him to fend for himself with the press? He staged photos! He's toxic - always courting the press at every moment. Every time she does something there he is, piping up ready to slag her off. What kind of father does that?! Not to mention the jealous SS, she's another one!

I do believe them.

It shouldn’t be a shock to anyone that some parts of the firm are nasty. Have we ever heard anything to the contrary? No...

They’ve said the skin colour comments weren’t to do with the Queen. I should imagine it was the nasty courtiers. But these things should have been stamped on. The RF need to stop turning a blind eye to pedophila and racism.

What really pisses me off is those who have the cheek to say they disbelieve the claims about Meghan’s mental health. Who do they think they are? You don’t get to tell anyone they are lying about their MH.

Harry has turned his back on his father, his brother, his grandparents and everything he knows in the UK. I don’t believe he would have done that for no good reason or if Meghan was a liar. Whatever else can be said about Harry, he’s taken his marriage vows seriously.

there are two sides to every story and I await the Palace’s version for balance

We have been hearing the Palace's version endlessly for the last couple of years through all those "briefings" from people "close to" senior royals.

Not one of those briefings has spoken up in defence of H&M even when the accusations against them were demonstrable lies. They have been very quick to brief against them, even when they were still working members of the firm.

Meghan was villified endlessly for making St Kate cry. At any time "someone close to the duchess" could have mentioned "no it was the other way around, two tired stessed women disagreed and it was quickly resolved and they remain friends". Their silence in such situations whilst rapidly briefing against the couple speaks volumes.

@NeedanIdea

How did she leave him to fend for himself with the press? He staged photos! He's toxic - always courting the press at every moment. Every time she does something there he is, piping up ready to slag her off. What kind of father does that?! Not to mention the jealous SS, she's another one!

Oh yes the toxic step sister that proved ( with documentation) that everything Meghan said about her was lies!

There was a lot of negative press about Kate before they got engaged but the tone changed drastically and after the marriage it's been almost entirely positive. That hasn't happened with Meghan.

@BluesInTheSun

I’ve found a contemporary account of the ‘flower girl incident’ which reads to me like the leak was maybe someone involved in the dress fitting (rather than Team Kate) and the anti-Meghan spin may be a fabrication of the journalists (its not clear Meghan was even there). May have been as simple as Kate being stressed over the dress fitting and it being implied that this must be on account of Meghan’s ‘unreasonable demands’.

So I am still of the mind that Meghan’s account in the interview is a partial narrative but my rationale that it must have been a leak via Kate’s aides or friends is probably wrong.

[quote Quaversplease]@AviciaJones Archie wouldn't have been a prince. The rules of succession don't work that way. Only children and grandchildren of the monarch are princes/princesses. Plus the children of the Prince of Wales which covers the Cambridges. None of the other great grandchildren of the Queen are princes.[/quote]
That isn't what the discussion was about though. It was that she was told that when Charles accedes to the throne the ancient Royal protocols would be changed specifically to ensure that Archie won't be entitled to the title of Prince at that point, when he should be as a grandchild of the monarch (Charles).

Secondly the Queen made a specific exception to the Royal protocols to give the title of prince/ princess to the Cambridge's second and third children who are not otherwise entitled to it until Charles becomes King. Yet didn't want to do the same for Archie and this decision about his title was then used as an excuse not to provide security for him, even when both of his parents were still senior working Royals.

I await the Palace’s version for balance

I suspect we might be waiting a long time, since I can't quite see where the advantage would lie in a "Yes they did / No we didn't" thing

I wouldn't dispute that the RF are capable of making their feelings known if they wish, but there's a time for stony silence and I believe this might be it

Nothing she said should have been a surprise. It’s clearly oppression comes with the privilege.

She is clearly a total liar - no research, didn’t know Diana had done an interview etc etc. Didn’t read the headlines, but then suddenly had seen some. She’s a spoilt brat who just didn’t like having her own way.

She was happy to throw Kate under the bus by pretending that it was Kate who made Meghan cry. Therefore if there were actual racist comments made about Archie (which I don’t believe) they would have named the person. It didn’t happen, which is why they didn’t give a name.

The way Harry spoke about his family was disgusting. So disloyal. His mum saw this coming, so left him money?? Grow up. Parents leave their children money if they die with money. Totally normal.

Good riddance to them. Horrible pair

Harry said what he said to sock one in the eye to his dad for what he did to his mum. Very simple. Basic reflex. And he's waited years to do it.

Meghan twisted everything she could to her narrative. The similarities with Diana's distress were deliberate, I'm sure. She was a Diana expert according to friends from when she was an early teen. She told some out and out lies, and kind of left implication with pretty much confirmation hanging in the air for other things.

Eg, she knows damn well that Harry didn't say to her while she was pregnant that there were 'concerns and conversations' over the baby's skintone, or in any way that he wouldn't be a prince because of this. She knows that is bollocks and not what happened. But she deliberately fudged things so it ended up sounding like that, and then in a bizarre sort of 'I'm not telling you this but actually I am' type way, said something like 'if you were to think that then you most probably definitely wouldn't be wrong'.

The best bit of crazy gaslighting (because that's what it is) was, when asked a direct question about something bad, her answer was 'potentially, yes'. The question was in the past - I can't remember what it was - something like 'did someone mention skin colour to your husband?'.

She chucked in a quick mumble somewhere about 'protocol' when asked about the title business, but it was hidden among along of guff about what colour the baby would be.

Yes, of course it is possible that without it being directly stated, they felt Archie wasn't made a prince because of his potential colour. But in reality they both knew there was a protocol laid down by Harry's great-grandfather, that all the others have had to follow, and that their son was offered other titles, which they turned down, saying they wanted him to be normal.

So basically: they were fxxxked off they didn't get special dispensation and the prince title even though it wasn't permitted, and so said he wouldn't have anything then if couldn't have that.

It's just all so resentful and taking things personally when it looks like nothing was meant like that - in fact people were bending over backwards to try to make it work.

I await the Palace’s version for balance

You've already had the Palace's version. They told you that Megan made Catherine cry and that she was a pushy, nightmare and a bully. This interview was held in part to "correct" the palace's version.

For those that are denying M&Hs experiences; there are parts of British society that appear incapable not just of change but even of its necessary precursor: honest self-reflection. They’re trapped in denial – about everyday racism, structural racism, slavery and empire.

@bogoffmda

It is what they believe - where the truth lies no one knows.

We all have issues with our families most of do not take adverts out on social media to publicise them. We either avoid those elements we do not like or we get on with life.

Have no issue with them leaving, do have issue with them continuing to make monies from the thing they wanted to leave but not contributing to the work. They want privacy but don't want publicity except on their terms and to drive their next scheme.

Don't believe some of this - they both know how to access mental health support and if they don't what are they advocating for.
And definitiely struggle with the concept that being rude to MM was always racist but just rude to KM - there is a double standard there - I recall issues about her Jewish relatives being brought up at one point.

Actually find the whole thing quite sad for both of them - cut themselves off from both their families but they are in a little world of their own, being fed propaganda by people who are no more looking out for them than they perceive the RF weren't

Most dont take adverts out on social media, except lets look at Mumswnt which is a social media platform in itself where plenty of people do advertise their problems about the families on...so whats your point then? That they shouldn't meanwhile ignoring the fact many people do, whether its here, Facebook etc.

@cerealgamechanger

For those that are denying M&Hs experiences; there are parts of British society that appear incapable not just of change but even of its necessary precursor: honest self-reflection. They’re trapped in denial – about everyday racism, structural racism, slavery and empire.

I agree, wholeheartedly

They are not genuine about wanting to be away from the limelight. I think Megan seemed to be quite misinformed about things. On the who though they came across as disloyal to their respective families.

That said, the bullying and racism should be investigated, but I am not convinced that that is what this is about.

If the palace have any sense, they will not comment publicly about this. That would only feed this media frenzy and cause even more speculation. But behind the scenes, I really hope they are talking to H and M on the phone and taking on board their grievances. And if they won't, shame on them!

I would have thought that the best way for H and M to heal family rifts (if that is what they want) would be by talking in private within the family. Instead, they are inviting us in and asking us to take sides, probably because they are so hurt by the cruel, unfair and untrue treatment they have received from the press.

If H & M and HRM and family can't sort this out, surely there are mediators and counsellors who can help them.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, these seem to me to be two very damaged individuals, who want attention, who need love and support from their family and friends and to be allowed to make their mistakes in private.

I would guess that raising the issue about racism in the press is the only useful thing that will come out of this.

@bogoffmda

It is what they believe - where the truth lies no one knows.

We all have issues with our families most of do not take adverts out on social media to publicise them. We either avoid those elements we do not like or we get on with life.

Have no issue with them leaving, do have issue with them continuing to make monies from the thing they wanted to leave but not contributing to the work. They want privacy but don't want publicity except on their terms and to drive their next scheme.

Don't believe some of this - they both know how to access mental health support and if they don't what are they advocating for.
And definitiely struggle with the concept that being rude to MM was always racist but just rude to KM - there is a double standard there - I recall issues about her Jewish relatives being brought up at one point.

Actually find the whole thing quite sad for both of them - cut themselves off from both their families but they are in a little world of their own, being fed propaganda by people who are no more looking out for them than they perceive the RF weren't

Yes