So, do you believe the royal couples revelations made tonight?

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I did. felt more authentic than I've expected. You?

@sadie9

Harry is getting shielded by the publicity around Meghan. What we are seeing is really the result of Harry jumping out of the royal nest and then blaming everyone for finding himself at the bottom of the tree. He could have negotiated with the Royal family for an exit. He could have paid a team of confidential mediators to negotiate behind the scenes. What we saw instead was two people extremely reluctant to ask for help. Both Harry and Meghan are hugely emotional personalities. They act first and think later. They find it extremely hard to ask for help or to allow themselves to be helped.

They did ask to step back from Senior Royals and they were rebuffed.

Did you watch the interview?

to know that your own family will not protect your own child - their flesh & blood - must have felt terrible, such a betrayal. I don't blame (Harry) for wanting out after that

But surely that's the wrong way round? Just like the rest the family they were protected while in the UK and it wasn't until they left that it was removed - so how could he have wanted out after this, when at the point it happened they were already out?

All these who think that he's not Charles son-what a bloody insult to Diana!

"clearly loves The Queen and awful lot" -really-by trying to rip to shreds everything that she stands for & her adult life has been about?

@Charliecatpaws

Why would they go on TV and tell a pack of lies?

Did you watch the Andrew interview? People tell the stories that fit their internal dialogue, people who have been brought up never to be challenged tell their stories until they come to believe they are true and don’t recognise or accept inconsistencies.

Harry may have his mother’s genes, but he also has the genes of his father and has moreover lived a life of great privilege and entitlement, his go to expectation is that what he wants to happen happens. He has had a very confusing few years, has found himself backed into a corner and I don’t think he knows what to do about it.

Meghan has invented herself,so if she is challenged her edifice of who she is collapses. However she is a lot brighter than Harry and very articulate, she will fight her corner with words and build her story to meet her needs.

They are a bit like avatars in an online game, they have created the myth, now they have to maintain it and the stories that go with it.

I do believe the horrendous racism that Meghan has faced both from the UK press and from other sources. If they were braver they would name names, but they won’t.

No I don't, but the mental health issues, yes, as I can imagine being in that spotlight would be very demanding and difficult to cope with.

But this is a personal family matter, there was no need for this interview, this should have been dealt with privately.

They have made this public and in time they will live to regret doing this, as there is now no going back.

Meghan is a woman of colour and to be honest I have been waiting for the race issue to be made, it was inevitable, she portrays herself to me as if she cannot get her own way then she will use it. The bullying claim too against her, I do believe it. There has always been something with her.

Plus the comments they made on Archie's skin colour conversation, she said many conversations and Harry said there was one, this is unsubstantiated, there are always two sides to every story, this is just their version.

But Harry seems to have a very short memory, very publicly he dressed as a nazi, thats appalling and then he made an offensive remark to an asian member of his platoon. No mention of that was there.

They both have great privilege, they have had everything they have ever wanted and yet they wanted more, but the Queen said they cannot leave and still retain certain things, this is the real reason for the interview, they're pissed.

What pisses me off the most is that we are living a restricted life currently due to the pandemic, we have real life problems, death, illness, unemployment, missing loved ones, we are not sat in $14.5 million mansion whining about everything.

Yt was reported last year that the Queen had given them the choice to go and live their lives as non royals, but they chose to stay.

They have totally burned their bridges in the UK completely now and when the marriage goes tits up and it will, just wait for Meghan's interview on that.

[quote CupOfTeaAlonePlease]@MammabearX1

You think the wedding is proof that her culture was supported and accepted?

I remember Beatrice/eugenie giggling and carrying on while that black preacher was speaking. It was incredibly disrespectful.

Kate picking an argument days before the wedding is just silly behaviour, not supportive of a new sister in law. I cannot fathom bothering my sister in law with that nonsense before her wedding, period. Let alone when she was dealing with her disappointing father.

There were tells all along.

Also as anyone who has spent time in an abusive family will attest- how people behave on one day, in front of others, is no reflection of the level of respect and empathy shown behind closed doors.
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Kate was just a few weeks post partum after her third incredibly difficult pregnancy at the time of the wedding, with two very young children. Newborn hormones are all over the place! I can totally believe that she snapped from the stress and fatigue she was under, but also totally believe that both might have been demanding, that probably of them were in tears and that Kate was incredibly apologetic afterwards. I think it is rather hypocritical of Meghan to show no sympathy for Kate in those circumstances and then demand (rightly) to have space/care while pregnant/a new mother herself.

Meghan is very manipulative, to my mind she even had the Diana interview eye make-up on

Harry is too dim to see through her

DH pointed out that H and M both talked as if they are much younger than they are.

-Should people in their middle years expect so much from their parents? ( I understand the Prince Charles stopped their 'allowance' from him when they stepped aside from their royal duties. Seems fair if the money was work related. Less fair if they young children. I don't think that my own children would EXPECT me to support them financially when they get to that stage in life.)

-If you can ring a doctor to get maternity services... you can get help with mental health too . I am not sure why neither of them could make such a call in a mental-health emergency. How could it be easier to get back passports/keys/driving licences and leave the country than just to ring a therapist?

This did seem to be a 'getting back' at the family interview. There is the threat of a big reveal (perhaps if Archie doesn't get his title?)

@sadie9

I can't believe they didn't do the photo opp on the steps of the hospital after having Archie because "nobody asked us". That seems fairly unlikely.

@sadie9

No it doesn't! None of the other grandchildren have paraded their babies on the front steps of the hospital. Neither Zara nor Peter did. Nor did Eugenie I don't think.
It's a tradition for the heirs to the thrown and children of the monarch.

The unattributable comment is their meal ticket, it is quite clear that Harry wants more money , particularly for security which I can see is a major headache for them .

My guess is that the royal family will cough up for the security on the basis that ‘ they don’t want them to be worrying about being unsafe’ and behind the scenes Harry will agree to keep quiet about the embarrassing comment ( the one with no witnesses and which neither of them can remember or agree when or where it happened)

Of course when they want more money out it will come again.

@1WayOrAnother2

DH pointed out that H and M both talked as if they are much younger than they are.

-Should people in their middle years expect so much from their parents? ( I understand the Prince Charles stopped their 'allowance' from him when they stepped aside from their royal duties. Seems fair if the money was work related. Less fair if they young children. I don't think that my own children would EXPECT me to support them financially when they get to that stage in life.)

-If you can ring a doctor to get maternity services... you can get help with mental health too . I am not sure why neither of them could make such a call in a mental-health emergency. How could it be easier to get back passports/keys/driving licences and leave the country than just to ring a therapist?

This did seem to be a 'getting back' at the family interview. There is the threat of a big reveal (perhaps if Archie doesn't get his title?)

I don't think they are angry about the money being cut off. They stated they wanted independence financially. What they seemed distressed by was the speed at which security was withdrawn. What father cuts his sons security of at such short notice! Security on the level we are talking about costs millions and time to set up. Having your security removed with just a few days notice and in the context we are talking about must have been scary!

@Puzzledandpissedoff

to know that your own family will not protect your own child - their flesh & blood - must have felt terrible, such a betrayal. I don't blame (Harry) for wanting out after that

But surely that's the wrong way round? Just like the rest the family they were protected while in the UK and it wasn't until they left that it was removed - so how could he have wanted out after this, when at the point it happened they were already out?

No - Megan said it was while she was pregnant that they were told there was not going to be security for Archie. While they were still in the family fold.

M&H were given nothing more than an uncritical platform to air their grievances. Their accounts were not challenged at all, and on occasion, Oprah's leading questioning of Meghan led her to make opportunistic points that did were not credible

I agree with this, but TBF Oprah's no different to most other interviewers now the days of incisive questioning are largely gone

Sadly, too many are now just schmaltz and headline bait; sadly too, a lot of the subjects would probably refuse to sit through anything else

No - Megan said it was while she was pregnant that they were told there was not going to be security for Archie. While they were still in the family fold.

I said this earlier but does anyone genuinely believe he wouldn't have any security unless with his parents? If he was out with a nanny he would have no security with him at all? The likelihood of this being accurate is bonkers.

I think it is rather hypocritical of Meghan to show no sympathy for Kate in those circumstances and then demand (rightly) to have space/care while pregnant/a new mother herself

Megan would have been under a huge amount of pressure as a new bride just before the wedding. Why can't people cut her some slack. So Kate might be been emotional and tired, so what. Meghan would have been too.

I can tell most MNetters were bridezillas on their wedding days.

@PussGirl

Meghan is very manipulative, to my mind she even had the Diana interview eye make-up on

Harry is too dim to see through her

This ^^

Megan said it was while she was pregnant that they were told there was not going to be security for Archie.

Why would a newborn baby need separate security?! Surely he would always be with his mother and / or father. Separate security only really needs to be considered once older.

@LawnFever

I believe they were treated unfairly by the media, I believe she’s been the victim of racism and if she says she felt suicidal I believe her. I don’t doubt someone questioned the skin tone of their baby. All of that is hideous.

But - I don’t believe she didn’t at least Google Harry’s background and that he didn’t give her a heads up you need to curtsy to the Queen, that’s just silly - even if it was ‘my family is utterly bonkers but this is what you need to do when you meet my gran’ and if we get married there will be certain expectations of what our lives will be.

This. I largely believe them but surely she knew what she was getting into. You can’t then complain about it. The entire purpose of the job is to turn up to things, smile, meet and greet, not have any strong views or positions and to be politically neutral. Keep quiet and don’t air any dirty laundry in public. Serve the Institution.

I think she thought she would somehow be different or could change it and of course that was never going to happen.

I'd pay money to see them both be grilled by Andrew Neil or Jeremy Paxman.
Totally different interview altogether I would imagine..

You must remember the furore about the cost of the security when they went to Canada , it’s the taxpayer that picks up the bill not Prince Charles . When Canada said they wouldn’t pick up the bill anymore after the initial period I think H expected the RF to step in. They are his family it’s his responsibility to arrange security .

She is a very good actress🤷‍♀️

Security is not provided by the royal family. It’s provided by the British state. They’re effectively asking for UK taxpayers to fund their security arrangements permanently while living abroad as private citizens.

@NeedanIdea yes it must be very stressful having a huge wedding that you dont have to pay for and have plenty of minions to organise it for you! Definitely far more stressful than being postpartum l

Megan said it was while she was pregnant that they were told there was not going to be security for Archie. While they were still in the family fold

Ah, fair enough - I missed that bit, though as with much else I'm surprised if it happened as presented

I wonder whether, if they'd discussed leaving at that point, there might have been some confusion between what normally happens in the UK and what could happen if they left

Harry is too dim to see through her

Whether he is or not, I'd love to know what he thought when she claimed they were married three days before; certainly he didn't engage at all with that, which perhaps isn't surprising since he'd have known better than most that it wasn't true