So, do you believe the royal couples revelations made tonight?

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I did. felt more authentic than I've expected. You?

@tabulahrasa

“Shes lying without a doubt. She said she had been friends with Eugenie for years, yet she didn't know who Harry was?”

She didn’t say she didn’t know who he was... she said she didn’t research everything.

Presumably because she knew full well who he was and mistakenly thought she already knew about the royal family.

No she has stated in the press in the past that she didn't know who he was or anything about him!

Prince Philip has made many racist comments over the years, Harry wore a Nazi uniform as a laugh. I'm not shocked to hear them describe the royal institution as racist, I'm surprised that Meghan was shocked by it though, it's not exactly hidden knowledge. I don't believe at all that she didn't google him.

@Abouttimemum

I just can’t get over the fact they left the UK because of racism. I don’t disagree that it happens here and yes, it’s awful. But out of the frying pan and into the US fire, where black people get shot in the face by white people for fun. Full of shite the pair of them.

Except the US press has had headlines calling their son a chimp. Its not just people its the press too.

@redspecial

as a side note, its been commented a lot that she is the first woman of colour in the royal family. Queen Charlotte anyone?

www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/12/race-monarchy

The Queen Charlotte thing is extremely tenuous.

I know someone who went to Uni with her. She was ruthlessly focussed. Very calculated. Had her eye on the prize. Had no friends (other than acquaintances that could help her achieve her goal). She just didn’t engage with people with any depth.

One family member at her wedding and the majority of the rest celebs she had met at most a few times. I mean red flag - much?

Do I believe what she is saying? I believe this is Meghan’s truth yes. This is what she believes. The point is that there are always two or more sides to a story and relationship and unfortunately she is picking on people who cannot tell their side. Her dad told his side this morning and I felt so sad for him. I feel desperately sad for the Queen too.

• Of course she could have got mental health treatment. Harry sees a therapist and Diana did too.
• Archie wasn’t a prince because of protocol - he would have become one when Charles became king and Harry knows that all too well. Even I know that. And anyway they huffed and said they didn’t want a title anyway - or was that their childish response to having to wait a bit.
• He could have used his inherited 40m for security. Why would they expect the taxpayer to pay for their security in the USA if they are no longer working royal. I don’t get that
• as for the ‘comment’. I suspect Harry will come to regret saying anything. Meghan was not there. Nobody knows the context of that comment and it is going to hang there now like a bad fart. There should be a proper enquiry into it.

There doesn’t seem to be any thought about others feelings in anything. To throw Kate under the bus like that is just plain mean. She could have just said - it wasn’t how it was reported. And left it at that.

So toxic and sad. That’s the word. It’s all so sad.

On a completely side note I was amazed at Kate's cream outfit at the wedding literally weeks post partum. I was thinking about how awful it would be to on show, in a pale colour with potentially leaky boobs and (aherm) other leakage.

To wear white or cream to someone else's wedding is often viewed as the height of disrespect and very poor etiquette.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not a stickler for etiquette (and tradition to me is merely dead people telling others what they should think). I likely wouldn't have batted an eyelid if someone had done this at my wedding - not unless they'd turned up in an actual bridal dress.

But etiquette is practically the Windsors' raison e'tre. They not only thrive, but exist on it. In that context, it's every bit as 'attention seeking' and 'disrespectful' as wearing an unbuttoned coat to a wedding in the early stages of pregnancy ...

@Ilovedthe70s, my Numma used to say the same! She would also have said that M&H 'have more to say than they have to eat.'

@Toptotoeunicolour

On the bridesmaid's dresses, I thought one particular example of Oprah's sycophancy was that she didn't say well Kate had just had a baby so was possibly stressed/emotional due to that, and you were having the week before your marriage, so both of you may have been feeling not your most robust selves. At no point did Oprah ever suggest they may have done something differently, or asked them what they thought they should have done differently. She never challenged them, she just sensationalised, and that for me is the difference between skilled interviewer and chat show host.

Completely agree with this. It's absolutely staggering that whilst Meghan expected everyone to be considerate of her circumstances, she didn't for a moment stop to think about another woman who had just had a baby. Not even in hindsight (having presumably been through that emotional headfuck) did she put the whole event into the context of postpartum emotional difficulties that absolutely everyone has.

@cokie3 Archies title for instance. They deliberately misled the public on that. I think she is liar.

I don't think the RF could have done more to embrace her culture on her wedding day....

• Prince Charles walked her down the aisle
• She had an amazing African American gospel choir
• An African American preacher
• Her mother was welcomed & included in all the photos etc.. It all cost millions

Yet she threw it all back in their faces with her "we just wanted it on our own without the whole spectacle so were married 3 days earlier"... How ungrateful & what a kick in the teeth for the RF

@MarieIVanArkleStinks, so is wearing black, but MM never got critised for that at various weddings...

Completely agree with this. It's absolutely staggering that whilst Meghan expected everyone to be considerate of her circumstances, she didn't for a moment stop to think about another woman who had just had a baby. Not even in hindsight (having presumably been through that emotional headfuck) did she put the whole event into the context of postpartum emotional difficulties that absolutely everyone has.

I suspect she lacks empathy. That is exactly the words my friend said who knew her at uni. Lacking in empathy.

I’m really not sure what to think about it all - it all seems like a big mess with no winners. I think the “unforgivable” accusation is the one surrounding racism .....I don’t really read the tabloids but what sort of stories were said about Meghan that were explicitly racist? I remember the incident with Danny Baker and the baby chimp (which he lost his career over) but does anyone have a list of the other incidents? I know that the British tabloid press can be vile and they were horrendous to Sarah Ferguson back in the 80s and constantly compared her to Diana so I’m just trying to unpick how much of this racism vs the tabloids being the tabloids.

I just can’t get over the fact they left the UK because of racism. I don’t disagree that it happens here and yes, it’s awful. But out of the frying pan and into the US fire, where black people get shot in the face by white people for fun. Full of shite the pair of them.

Did you watch the interview? They left because the UK media harassed Meghan but they felt someone in the royal family has also been racist. They didn't claim the UK is racist, but believe me, it is. Really is. We just don't have guns.

The difference with the racism is that, in the US with tons of money, Archie and their child on the way will less likely to be discriminated against as a mixed race member of the Queen's family than in the UK. That is very unfortunate.

No

There doesn’t seem to be any thought about others feelings in anything. To throw Kate under the bus like that is just plain mean.

What I heard her say about Kate in the interview I watched was that she was a good person, and that she [Meghan] had accepted flowers and an apology and considered the matter closed. She also didn't go into fuller detail about precisely what happened. That wasn't the issue here.

The problem she expressed was Kate's reputation being preserved and her own thrown to the dogs, which as we've seen has been relentlessly the case whilst others whose behaviour was similar to (or worse) than hers were protected at her expense. The media savaged her - the story having broken months after the event - whilst insiders knew the reality of the situation and simply allowed the character assassination to continue.

If what she says is true, she has a legitimate complaint.

The coat dress that Kate wore at the wedding is actually a pale lemon, she has worn it on several occasions . I did wonder about the white at a wedding but she routinely wears things which she has worn before at weddings so as not to upstage the bride. It may also have been that she wanted to wear something comfortable and familiar

@MarieIVanArkleStinks she didn’t need to rebuff the comment however with - it was Kate who made me cry. She just could have said - it wasn’t how it was reported and leave it at that. And anyway I know someone who knows the journalist who broke that story. He was told that version of events by two independent sources. So who knows what is true. But anyway the point is she didn’t need to be so graphic about Kate. That’s my point.

“It's absolutely staggering that whilst Meghan expected everyone to be considerate of her circumstances, she didn't for a moment stop to think about another woman who had just had a baby. Not even in hindsight (having presumably been through that emotional headfuck) did she put the whole event into the context of postpartum emotional difficulties that absolutely everyone has.”

She said, Kate was upset, they had an argument and she cried. That Kate then did what she also would have done if she upset someone and apologised. She said Kate is a good person and that it doesn’t actually matter what the argument was about because it had been forgiven, the issue was that the exact opposite was released months later.

The point wasn’t that she’s nice and Kate is a bitch, it’s that the press took a done and dusted argument in a stressful time that they’d put to bed already and not only printed it, but printed the opposite of what happened to make it sound like she was at fault... and nobody was willing to do anything about the character assignation that was playing out in the media, even when it was blatantly untrue.

@MarieIVanArkleStinks if it was all squared away as MM said, why mention it then? It was a nasty move. Also why was MM allowed to be emotional and fragile when pregnant but not the DOC, who does not have a record of easy pregnancies and may have just been having an off day?

@Cemin00

Not at all. She's a sociopath and there were bloody huge clues all the way along and, like Trump, there are lies and gaping holes in what she says yet people stupid enough to fall for it. She didn't have guests at the wedding apart from her mother, she had future transactions. It'll all come out in the end but not before they've done more damage to the ordinary Britons who paid them millions...only to be slagged off for being fascists from two privileged chancers in a country that's only slightly ahead of apartheid South Africa where racism is concerned. The nerve of the two of them!

Err @Cemin00 she did have lots of guests at her wedding??? Family wise she just had her mother but she had lots of friends there!

@MammabearX1

You think the wedding is proof that her culture was supported and accepted?

I remember Beatrice/eugenie giggling and carrying on while that black preacher was speaking. It was incredibly disrespectful.

Kate picking an argument days before the wedding is just silly behaviour, not supportive of a new sister in law. I cannot fathom bothering my sister in law with that nonsense before her wedding, period. Let alone when she was dealing with her disappointing father.

There were tells all along.

Also as anyone who has spent time in an abusive family will attest- how people behave on one day, in front of others, is no reflection of the level of respect and empathy shown behind closed doors.

@MammabearX1

I don't think the RF could have done more to embrace her culture on her wedding day....

• Prince Charles walked her down the aisle
• She had an amazing African American gospel choir
• An African American preacher
• Her mother was welcomed & included in all the photos etc.. It all cost millions

Yet she threw it all back in their faces with her "we just wanted it on our own without the whole spectacle so were married 3 days earlier"... How ungrateful & what a kick in the teeth for the RF

At no point did I hear her say that she didn’t want that wedding, she just said they thought it would be nice to have something for just the two of them.

It’s not ungrateful. My wedding was a big one and I felt as much as it was about me and I made choices I also did a lot to make sure my family, friends were happy. And if I was completely honest I would have been happy just to elope but I know that would have disappointed some people.

People can want more than one thing at once you know, and wanting one thing or feeling one thing doesn’t negate the other.

Yes, I believe them.

The bit about skin colour, Megan heard that second-hand from Harry. It's possible the RF member expressed concerns to Harry about skin colour but not to Megan and I can imagine that sounds like her colour is being discussed behind her back. Not surprised she got depressed & suicidal - imagine thinking you're going to have to deal with this the rest of your life! Thankfully Harry quite rightly took offence and decided that it's a good enough reason to leave the toxic bunch.

Harry hasn't been praised enough in my book, he's really stood by his family. It must have been very hard emotionally to break away, but to know that your own family will not protect your own child - their flesh & blood - must have felt terrible, such a betrayal. I don't blame him for wanting out after that. They may dislike the new wife, but to not protect the baby?! Cold-hearted f*ckers, in my book.