So, do you believe the royal couples revelations made tonight?

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I did. felt more authentic than I've expected. You?

@TorringtonDean

Aren’t we all glad that we are just the plebs! Free to do what we want, money permitting.

Agreed. As a younger person, I too smoked weed in the same lean-to shed Harry did.

The press didn't give two hoots about me or others who also used that convenient place out of the wind,, no World's Press descending, no ''Chequebook journalism''..Being an ordinary person has a lot going for it in that regard.

@jasjas1973 I assume these diplomatic staff, whilst not titled, are actually working though? Do they get to retain their protection once they retire?

Sunny absolutely....but she didn’t know most of those people. She invited celebrities she wanted to be friends with because she was a Hollywood nobody and she saw her opportunity to get in to the A list.

@Charliecatpaws

Why would they go on TV and tell a pack of lies?

I don't think it's lies, I think it's just purely their own version of events and focused on their own feelings rather than the facts.

They ignored a lot of the protocol that surrounds their positions and life in order to find personal insults in things that genuinely are not anything to do with that - eg. Archie not being titled Prince, not having security, not being paid as working royals despite not wanting to do that role anymore.

Just seems like they hired Oprah to just sit there while they laid out their grievances - more of a therapist than an interviewer!

That would cover a fair few NHS staff wouldn't it?

@WireFan

*'Mariposa123 I believe it’s their truth. Similar to how a child being told off at school would have a different truth to the teacher dealing with them (‘Miss is picking on me!’); it’s their version of events that is just one side of the story.'*

This! And they know full well we will never hear the other side nor will they be asked to evidence their claims beyond 'I said it therefore it happened.'

If that isn't privilege I don't know what is.

All this has taken even more heat off dodgy Andy too which is really NOT good.

This

The UK provides security teams around the world for diplomatic staff, not really any different.
Many would no doubt love a posting to California!

The difference being that they now live there and are not doing anything official that merits official protection. Also you must remember that the teams that go to America aren't permitted to carry firearms and have no official standing. Armed protection would have to be provided by the US authorities.

Just seems like they hired Oprah to just sit there while they laid out their grievances - more of a therapist than an interviewer!

That's certainly how it came across to me. An interviewer should be unbias and not afraid to ask hard questions in the pursuit of the truth. However this felt like they were moaning to a mate and they didn't want anything other than a sympathic ear and someone to validate their feelings.

@Stickytreacle

That would cover a fair few NHS staff wouldn't it?

£67,000,000 definitely would!.

No, I think elements of truth might be there but they have spun it to make them look the injured party.
I don’t believe asking about colour of baby skin was any more than when other people wonder weather baby will have mum or dads hair, eyes, nose etc. But can understand that can easily be taken the wrong way.
I think absoloute bullshit she never researched the monarchy/Diana before marrying into the family.
The getting married 3 days before has got to be a lie.... you need to have two witnesses. The not seeing her passport... how did she travel to France on eltons private jet, how did she get to her baby shower.
Archie was not entitled to have the title of Prince as Charles is not king yet.
I did sympathise about the removal of security.

I do think it was bad timing to do that to the queen while DOE is in hospital.

Also having a dig at Catherine when she knows Catherine will not respond. Also it contradicts what they put in their book about the dress fitting which they had an input with.

I lasted 3 minutes but from the clips I have seen they made some allegations which were demonstrably false and conflated certain issues which were unrelated, therefore their account is unreliable.

@BigFatLiar

Harry didn't. He's a middle aged man with no career.

Thought he was going to be a career soldier?

But he couldn't do that could he? Because as everyone keeps pointing out on this thread, his job was to be a Royal.
The Royal princes all get to kill some time in the armed forces before they have to settle down to 'smile and wave duties'. They are not actually career soldiers. Its to give them something respectable to do that is patriotic and keep them out of trouble until their 'real' royal job starts.

I agree with posters commenting that Meghan thought she could overcome centuries of royal protocol. I think Harry also thought she would be allowed to live as they saw fit because : Diana, rather than conforming to the roles of dutiful Duke and Duchess.

They went into this with the mission of modernising the RF. Unable to do it from within, their new narrative at a minimum is to do it from without.... or this is perhaps what they’re telling themselves to justify this tell all interview. They really don’t seem to understand the seriousness of what they’ve done.

It was obvious Meghan wasn’t the sort of woman prepared to be an ornament in exchange for vast wealth and privilege. She apparently gave a speech at their wedding; hardly the done thing in such circles.

I don’t doubt Meghan was treated awfully by the press. I don’t tend to take notice of it. Ditto Kate, but have become aware since H&M exited to Canada. The only one, which I knew about prior to their leaving was the disgraceful comparison of Archie to a chimp. The issues from my perspective is that 1) kate was hazed but due to the length of courtship and so forth, her hazing was over by the time she started to have children whereas for Meghan it was not, 2) some of the ‘hazing’ was racially motivated, 3) Harry saw this all through a lens of what happened to his mother, when William did not with Kate.

The discussion of colour of the baby. Meghan said there were several conversations and implied these happened as she was pregnant, whereas Harry contextualised it as being during the period, where her role within the RF; ergo before they were even married. My interpretation of this is that H didn’t discuss this with her until she was pregnant. I know she believes what she said and it’s likely H&M had several conversations on the subject.

As for many issues, these are standard protocol, I imagine:

• the passports etc being taken away etc
• not going out in public when the press is cooking up a storm
• Archie not having a title
• Archie not specifically needing security as an infant as he is with his parents / family.
• removing security from non working royals

They absolutely come across as victims. Charles was giving him an allowance. That allowance along with his inheritance should have been use to pay for security, not to live an A list lifestyle. Why couldn’t Harry help her access therapy? Or her friends in the US get therapy over the phone from one of their many contacts?

As they see themselves as victims, it is therefore understandable that they see Charles and William as trapped victims.

I watched the interview but I didn't hear Meghan say they had been told Archie wouldn't be a Prince when Charles becomes King. Can anyone confirm she did actually say that? A PP makes a good point that Archie is the same relevance as Princess MArgaret's children, and I bet a lot or people couldn't even name them! I think Meghan is jealous and thinks they should be treated the same as William and Kat without realising that William is a future King and Harry isn't, fairly or not, that is just fact. There is nothing rascist about that no matter how she tries to twist it. And they didn't get that story straight either. Meghan tried to imply there had been multiple conversations in tandem with the discussions of Archie not being a Prince and having security paid by taxpayers but Harry clearly said there was one hypothetical conversation before they were married!

Really don't care about most of what they say - but what I do care about is if someone from BP seriously made racist remarks - that is not something to be bandied around lightly. So if you are not prepared to tell Oprah - I think possibly y should you speak to a senior BP official or the Metropolitan police or someone. Whatever the way of doing things is. I just don't think you can make vague accusations about something so serious to justify yourself & then refuse to comment. Because - you know - it might not be true - but if it is - I think it should be known . Ach - will never happen but I thought it was unhappy that they made quite severe allegations but would not back them up. Hey ho - their choice - I for one would like to know who made these remarks and I think BP should investigate.

I have been pondering... if William decides he can’t continue with this charade and wants to step down himself, what would happen? If he decides he doesn’t want this life for himself or his children, who would take it on? It couldn’t be Andrew. Anne would be too elderly and wouldn’t want it either. Possibly Edward? I just cannot see a single member of the family would want it or be capable. The whole pack of cards would come tumbling down, but they would all be free.
If he waited till Charles dies, there would really be no one would be disappointed or care. I wonder if he’s ever thought about it?

No doubt there is an element of truth to it, and THEY believe their take on things. I'm certain the others will have their own perspective.

I suspect H&M twist the basic realities of Royal life into something personal to justify their end goal, which was always to pull away and do their own thing.

They're more aggrieved now because of the security and patronages, which they didn't expect would be removed.

I also think Meghan IS lying to say she never googled him, or did research. Who WOULDN'T make that minimal amount of effort, with all the info that would have been available?

@GoLightlyontheEarth

I have been pondering... if William decides he can’t continue with this charade and wants to step down himself, what would happen? If he decides he doesn’t want this life for himself or his children, who would take it on? It couldn’t be Andrew. Anne would be too elderly and wouldn’t want it either. Possibly Edward? I just cannot see a single member of the family would want it or be capable. The whole pack of cards would come tumbling down, but they would all be free. If he waited till Charles dies, there would really be no one would be disappointed or care. I wonder if he’s ever thought about it?

He would never do that, but I also doubt he'd be able to decide on behalf of George either.

Although after all of his children, I guess it would be back to Harry .

@BasiliskStare

Really don't care about most of what they say - but what I do care about is if someone from BP seriously made racist remarks - that is not something to be bandied around lightly. So if you are not prepared to tell Oprah - I think possibly y should you speak to a senior BP official or the Metropolitan police or someone. Whatever the way of doing things is. I just don't think you can make vague accusations about something so serious to justify yourself & then refuse to comment. Because - you know - it might not be true - but if it is - I think it should be known . Ach - will never happen but I thought it was unhappy that they made quite severe allegations but would not back them up. Hey ho - their choice - I for one would like to know who made these remarks and I think BP should investigate.

Are you suggesting that courtiers at BP investigate their bosses? Seriously? It’s not a criminal offence so I can’t see the police being involved either. If Andy can get away with what he’s done, do you think an ill judged remark would be prosecuted?

William will believe in continuing the family tradition because it’s been instilled in him. Kate is on board with that too, big time. Harry seems to have skipped any lessons about constitutional issues.

No I don't believe them. I think there are other facts that put their feelings on the matter into perspective.

I think that the interview was an uncritical conversation with someone who offered no challenge to some of their statements.

Still scratching my head why they did it because it seems a vengeful to me and I didn't think they were victims.

On the bridesmaid's dresses, I thought one particular example of Oprah's sycophancy was that she didn't say well Kate had just had a baby so was possibly stressed/emotional due to that, and you were having the week before your marriage, so both of you may have been feeling not your most robust selves. At no point did Oprah ever suggest they may have done something differently, or asked them what they thought they should have done differently. She never challenged them, she just sensationalised, and that for me is the difference between skilled interviewer and chat show host.

Nope not at all. Harry is acting like a hostage and she has been chomping at the bit to get revenge for not being top dog in the RF. The thought of having to play second fiddle to KandW knocked her sick. Why the hell should their son have the prince title and why should we pay for their security? They are money grabbing entitled brats who need to read the room. Unfortunately they have outmaneuvered the RF by accusations of racism so now the Queen will have to acquiesce. So ridiculous

It was Oprah who suggested there was a link between Archie's skin colour and not having a title/security. Meghan then just said yes you could assume that. I think that was extremely contrived, because in truth there was no link, they suggested it.

I believe them. I can't believe how outraged people are about these 'shocking' revelations in all honesty.

Controlling, dismissive and racist? Well yes, I'm more shocked that people are surprised.