So, do you believe the royal couples revelations made tonight?

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I did. felt more authentic than I've expected. You?

@BillieSpain

They both had completely different time lines to the racist story.

Harry said 'right at the beginning' (before M was pregnant) she twitched then , because...
Megan had already said 'while I was pregnant'

Or so I understood...?

I could easily believe the conversation happened twice, the first time as a “if Meghan gets pregnant...”

@kingat

It was a lot of waffle to me.

Two things annoyed me.
How at the start they "clarify" this was not preprepared and no questions are off limits and then Oprah sits there for 2hrs not asking anything.

They are so angry at "them" for the lack of titles and protection, but the queen is absolutely amazing an none of it is to do with her. Well, isnt the queen the decision maker? So who are they angry at? Who is "they"? Who is supposed to pay for this security?

The queen doesn't run it all does she... I took "they" to mean high up palace staff. The people who run things. The queen presumably doesn't single handedly manage the finances and make the rules.

In a word, no.

She's laying a really good foundation for her divorce IMO.

It will soon be all Harry's fault.

(I have made more effort with previous unimportant boyfriends parents/families, I certainly would have learned the National Anthem. Not complained about having to google it)

Callmeadoctor yes these rumours needs addressing. Did she have a previous marriage annulled. Where was Doria?

@WhiskyIrnBru

Out of interest, to the people who don't believe, what's the purpose of making the whole thing up?

Also, do you not believe because the "royal family would never do that..." Or for some other reason?

I mean, it's not like the RF haven't had form for being unsupportive to married in wives...much less an American, mixed race one..

The only reason I can see for making things up is a toddler-style tantrum. They wanted to have their cake and eat it (don't we all?) and when that didn't come to fruition and they started to lose the 'perks' of being a royal...well to me they come across as a little scorned. Would it be a different story if the Queen had patted them on the back and sent them on their way with her full blessing and allowed them to stay as senior royals while they galavanted around LA, with tax-payer funded security, lovely titles and honours? I highly suspect it would be.

(Not saying the royal family aren't in any way at fault here...)

Yes, I felt more sympathy for them than I expected. I can believe there was racism in the RF. I can see much more clearly why they wanted to go. BUT I don't believe everything they say and I still think they have little self awareness and are quite hypocritical.

No I don’t I think she lies about everyone.

I don't believe it.

1. Why on earth would Harry TELL his wife some irrelevant member of the royal family made comments on their baby's skin colour? And given Meghan never actually heard those comments herself, it's very heavy to label it as the whole RF being racist towards her. It's hearsay and something she can't comment on giving she did not hear it herself.
2. She takes pride in being an intelligent, wordly, independent, self made women who has forged a career in one of the most misogynist and competitive industries. Yet we are to believe she didn't have conversations with her her husband on what her life in the RF would entail and the impact on her career? What successful career woman blindly gets married into an institution (having been through a failed marriage previously), which requires her to move to another country, and give up her job, and doesn't read up on what they expect of her? Especially when their treatment of his mother is all over the news.
3. What the hell was Harry doing in all this? She was depressed, suicidal and he didn't get her treatment? He could fly her to another country to hide out and break ties with his family, but he couldn't use his substantial private resources to get her a residential appointment or have conversations with the family on her behalf. He didn't set her expectations on what exactly she was marrying into? And that's the RF's fault, given they are honest about who they are and what it all means.
4. His shock at being cut off financially is very entitled. They were hardly leaving him destitute with his mother's millions. And I think it reasonable that if he turns down royal duties he doesn't find financially benefit from it. But for a 36 year old man to be whining about not getting money from his father (while living off his mother's fortunes) is in bad taste - especially when there's a serious pandemic forcing most of his country and the world into poverty!
5. Harry talking about his good relationship with his grandmother, yet savaging everything she has worked for on international TV is unbelievably cruel.
6. The mixed messages on what they want. A quiet life away from the media yet he says doing podcasts and Netflix interviews are the only way he has to earn a living.....?! Do they not think there will be equal amounts of media scrutiny if they choose to make a living out of TV? And are we really saying the Hollywood press is less racist and kinder than British media?

It's all baffling.

@callmeadoctor

Interesting point in the mail:

"When is somebody going to air all Meghan's secrets and why have so many been hushed up? Her first marriage to Joseph Goldman-Guliano the lawyer for example that ended in an annulment after his mother paid her off with a substantial sum due to realising she was totally unsuitable for her son. Her mother abandoning her for a life of crime and serving six years for money fraud and d rugs. Her uncle the diplomat who pulled a lot of strings to wangle her an internship that she would never have managed on her own merit. And she was in a civil relationship with a chef when she met Harry, who she just walked out on. And why does she snub all family members either her own or Harry's but prefers celebrities. The wedding a prime example. Also, Doria's relative that mysteriously died so she inherited a house, and a hazing incident at Northwestern University that included supergluing students eyes shut and being suspended...interesting rumours."

I think it would have been a more balanced interview if some of these rumours had been addressed. It wasn't 'Meghan and Harry on the royal family', it was just meant to be about Meghan and Harry so it should have been a balanced, well-rounded interview, it was anything but that. An interview designed to be a takedown of the RF. End of.

I guess they felt it was their private marriage moment.

I think H & M beIieve their "truth" as will many others. But for me the blatant incorrect statements regarding Archie's title, security, money and their supposed wedding ring alarm bells. If you can make statements like that which, anyone can check and find to be completely untrue, well it makes them look stupid at best, liars at worst. For me the rest of the interview has to be taken with a pinch of salt as it is their word against someone elses.
I do believe they both have mental health issues, but not in the form they have said. There is clearly some kind of folie a deux or delusional behaviour here and they need to get help before they do any more damage, not just to those they have accused but also themselves. Poor Harry doesn't seem to be able to see the wood for the trees, Meghan has estranged herself from her entire family, except her mother, now Harry finds himself in the same position ?

Agree that is their interpretation of events, their truth. I wish we could find out the others ideas 'truth' but we never will.

I could easily believe the conversation happened twice, the first time as a “if Meghan gets pregnant...”

Yep, so when Harry first announces they are getting married someone asks something along the lines of Have you considered your children will be (whatever was said)
And then when pregnant, someone or same person asks about skin colour again.

I will chuck in my two penneth for what its worth and say I call bullshit, I call attention seeking of the worst kind,A total lack of dignity displayed and a total embarrassment,The palace has made no response screams the tabloids make no wonder I wouldnt either justify anything, I was rather offended by how stupid they really think people are to swallow such twaddle,

well, some of it is utter crap, and is presented to make it look awful.

So - do I believe that someone made that comment about colour of Archie's skin? yes, and it is both shocking and I can totally understand why Meghan was so upset.
BUT she presented it as part of the same conversation about security and the title Prince. She very clearly gave the impression that he wouldn't be allowed ot be a prince because he was black, and now millions of people are up in arms at that.

The rules around who can be a prince were decide din 1917. They haven't changed. Until Charles is King, Archie won't be a prince and won't be called HRH. Nothing to do with Harry and Meghan's preference, nothing to discuss.

So I think she has taken some truths and mixed them with a load of stuff she either didn't understand or has deliberately taken the wrong way, and basically made 2+2 =5.

An interview designed to be a takedown of the RF

Except they didn't say anything negative about the family at all, did they?

Oprah wasn’t exactly Emily Maitlis. You wouldn’t need to do any research to guess the Prince title was about protocol. And anyway she could have asked why they wanted a title for him when they clearly want to be cool and American and not hung up on that stuff.

She could have asked who made the racist comment. One person or several? Just the once? Which generation. All sorts of probing. No questions were meant to be off-limits. I think it’s better to name the culprit than leave everyone under suspicion.

She could have asked Meghan whether she had access to a family doctor to help with mental health. The GP is the portal to everything and of course all consultations are private.

@TrustTheGeneGenie apart from implying that they are racist you mean?

As an "independent woman" why does Meghan not give her title back to the Queen?
And live an independent life on her independent money?
Why is she so hung up on being the Duchess of Sussex?

liverpool1981
There is more to this that meets the eye. I don't think Harry is charles son. Why would they cut him off financially??“

He’s the image of Charles.

I don't believe a single word they said. They are appalling, entitled, spoiled, and basically toxic.

There is always two sides to a story and it's clear in this situation that some people lacks the maturity to understand that. It's not team Meghan or Team Queeny.

The press hunting them down and some outlets consistently putting her down (probably because of a mixture of her race and the fact that she is American) - yes, totally believable, it's obvious.

The royal family not stepping up to defend her - yes, they don't do that. They never have.

Claims of racism within the family - not so sure. I think the royal family will put out a statement, they will defend themselves. I hope they do.

Is Maghan blameless? No. Is Harry blameless? No.

again - they were told they could have the wedding they wanted. Any wedding. They chose this wedding, and now she says it was all for the public not for her?

And the who made who cry. That is a nasty piece of sniping at Kate. Kate had a new baby, and 2 women, under massive amounts of stress meet for a bridesmaids fitting and words were said.
Probably both end up in tears, (who knows?) but certainly both are upset.
That is pretty normal in all families around times of high tension and especially when one of them has just given birth.
Kate apologises, sends flowers, Meghan accepts the apology. Then 2 years later Maghan feels the need to tell the world this. What a spiteful nasty thing to do really.

I just want them to go away - so do a lot of people. One thought they HAD gone away but oh no .....! How long will this go on? Will they ever go away? When?