Harry & Meghan - to hope the Royals answer back?

[DontReallyCareBut]

I think the allegations in the Oprah interview are serious enough that protocol should be breached and the Royals should have a voice to give their side too.

MM got married to a guy to would casually call his officer colleagues “rag-heads” and “Pakis” and then wears a Nazi Uniform for a Halloween party for laughs! What was she thinking, obviously the RF are a bunch of bigots, racists (her husband included) and elitists. STFU, drink your vegan coffee and eat gluten free salad, sit in your $14M mansion and wait to collect your royalties from Netflix, Disney, Spotify etc. omg can’t believe this BS is actually happening when there are genuine life and death plights around the world.

As for the idiot comparison to Diana - Diana was a 19 year old nursery nurse when she got married to Charles, naive and gullible, complete polar opposite to MM.

@PicsInRed

The life they think they are entitled to lead would not really be possible my on the 10's of millions he has.

27/7 day and night watch team of security to cover Harry, Meghan and the kids would soak that up in no time.

The other option is rolling the dice on an abduction and/or terror killing.

Yep, this for me is the key point. Fundamentally, because of our tabloid press attention, they can never really leave and be safe. So they have to earn substantial sums to cover that - and all because harry was born into that family. If Beatrice and eugenie got security as minors then I would think archie should as well, there is considerably more public interest and attention on him.

If Beatrice and eugenie got security as minors then I would think archie should as well, there is considerably more public interest and attention on him

They were grandchildren of the Queen. And princesses. Archie is not. Did Peter & Zara get security? I don't know the answer actually.

I think they should go the whole hog and fight it out on Facebook.

I’m a traditionalist (although I liked the lip sync suggestion upthread).

I would like to see Harry joust against Prince Andrew. Get back to the true spirit of royalty. ITV could screen it live.

Or they could do a ‘melee’ like in medieval tournaments. Harry and his gang in armour wielding battleaxes v QE2, Charles, William and Kate similarly clad and armed with morning stars and maces. And of course Camilla. I bet she is nails.

I think Harry is deluded and she is absolutely determined to portray herself as a victim. I think it was her intention as soon as it became clear to her she was not going to be top of the heap in the Royal family.

Harry is dim and his whole narrative of his world is formed around the wrongs he sees done to his mother- who was another charming, arch-manipulator of the Press and emotions.

I won't watch the interview but the news today has shown clips which I find absolutely unbelievable, disingenuous, unconvincing, not evidenced and quite vindictive. There is no reason for any of this at this point except garnering publicity and sympathy and to cause hurt to his family.There is no gain to be had from spite.

My understanding is Meghan was not questioned at all about her family, allegations about her behaviours and her past treatment of friends, or her own manipulations of the Press.

I think she is vile.

Brilliant wombat. Prince Edward could arrange it, he's got experience.

Great post at 12.37 @Maybe83

It's annoying how the coverage all day has been encouraging this polarised thinking approach and asking "whose side are you on?" As if it's that simple. Like a lot of family dynamics it's complex.

For Meghan:
-she has been subjected to disgusting racism from the Mail, other tabloids and the public "comments" and bile posted below such clickbait
-due to the above and the fact the RF kept quiet I don't blame then one bit for wanting to leave and live a private life (though that's not what they've actually done).
-she was a breath of fresh air as an articulate intelligent independent woman entering the RF, in addition being mixed race, and could have been a great asset to the RF.

Against Meghan & Harry:
-a number of inconsistencies, exaggerations, misleading or incorrect statements in the interview which felt constructed to paint an overall picture and generate sympathy. Eg definitely false that the rules were changed over Archie's title, definitely false therefore to imply he didn't get a title due to being mixed race, definitely false that they legally married before the wedding. Very misleading comments. We can't ever know about some other details but there are always three sides to every story.

• the skin colour comment made by a RF member was indeed awful and totally unacceptable, however why go so far as to tell Oprah but then not reveal who said it? It sounds like she wanted to stir up suspicion and commentary about who it could be. Either say who it was or don't say anything.
• in my gut it feels a bit incredulous she wouldn't have known anything about the RF before joining (eg protocol) and that she never googled Harry. Just feels like "the lady doth protest too much" on that one.
• another example, a better person would have simply said that 'for the record the story about me making Kate cry was untrue', not gone on to say 'it was actually the other way around and she made me cry'. It sounded like a very petty situation all round (tears over flower girls) so why be so petty and ungenerous unless you are decidedly hoping to discredit Kate?

On balance, it's made neither the RF not H&M come up smelling of roses imho. RF have always been dreadful and this proves it. The British tabloids are repulsive, misogynistic, racist and amoral. Meghan's actions speak louder than words for me and I dont buy her "integrity". She has very much cultivated her friendship with a Oprah (met once before being invited to the wedding) in order to firm up their future star power in LA. Harry just comes across as petulant and tone deaf.

It's a sad story for everyone, particularly Archie and Her Maj.

I'm also quite sick of their bleating on about the UK press considering the US isn't much better.

Oprah has made many comments about the press and their intrusion on her life. In fact there is a section in her book about her family members selling stories about her to the US media in her book. So they have hardly escaped to a desert island with no intrusion. The press come in quite useful when it's suits brand Sussex.

Thomas Markle is appearing on Piers Morgan show tomorrow morning.

Well one thing the interview managed to do was make Piers Morgan even more angry and deranged and opinionated that's he was before!

I've only seen the snippets in the media but all I keep thinking is Harry has married his mum. She didn't cope within RF for reasons we don't fully know (but we know enough!) but it affected her MH and now MM is following the same pattern. She cannot manage the institution that's the RF.

I do actually think that it needs to change somehow though. All this living off taxpayers money and not being accountable for those actions is actually not right IMO.

I think they need some kind of privacy as everyone deserves but as with Prince Andrew he is using that status to avoid responsibility.

@MrPickles73

He has 10 million from princess Di and she is a reasonably famous actress so I can't be too concerned about them being financially cut off but perhaps they need to look at their outgoings?

Agree with this.

You don't need an $11m home for a family do 4.

Really not being goady. But how about if someone had said....what's the chances of the baby being red haired? These speculations go on all all over the country when there's a new baby on the way.

If I wanted to escape from racism, I'm not sure the USA would be my first port of call!

@MrsFin

If I wanted to escape from racism, I'm not sure the USA would be my first port of call!

Yep!

And a lot more crime and bad people with big fuck off guns

Did I read it rightly that Prince Charles is no longer funding them ?

@Katie2017

*What I don't understand is why Harry passed on this conversation to Meghan. If my in-laws or any of my husband's friends had said something so shocking to him about our soon to be born child, I know for definite he would not tell me about it. He was shocked, knew Meghan would be severely upset by it, why did he not protect her from it and just cut off contact with said racist?*

Exactly my thoughts. Someone in his family makes an inappropriate comment to him about their child, very highly inappropriate and racist possibly, and he goes and tells his wife this? He knows this is going to hurt her because it's about their child but doesn't think oh I might keep this particular comment to myself?

I'm also confused at which point this was supposed to have happened, or if it happened multiple times because I could've sworn Harry said it was at the very beginning of their relationship but then it ended up being when MM was pregnant. If it happened more than once then that is certainly even more damaging an allegation to throw out there. None of this was ever said to MM this is all what was allegedly said to Harry and then Haz being the Prince he is, went and told his wife something he knew would upset her greatly when he could've just kept it to himself.

This all feels just so unnecessary and going to hurt everyone, and I think this is all about revenge on Charles tbh for cutting him off and not giving him enough emotional support.

I'm not in one camp or the other but I find the idea he shouldn't have told her preposterous.

As Archie's mother she's got every right to have input into the type and extent of a relationship her child (and herself) have with a family member whose made racist comments.

If he had kept it secret and she'd later found out I think should would have had every right to be furious.

Brushing racism under the carpet and pretending it doesn't exist is one of the reasons it perpetuates, another is enabling the racist to escape consequences by circling the wagons around their repugnant views.

@beccahamlet can you really not see the difference? Do you really think that the way hair colour is viewed in the uk is the same as skin colour? Because, if you do, that is really white privilege.

@OhCaptain

I’m Irish so I have no interest in your royal family.

It’s odd though that people are so unwilling to believe bad of them when they’re bending over backwards defending their paedophile Prince.

And seemingly ignoring the allegedly pre-recorded reaction by “royal correspondents and experts” that was filmed two days before the interview dropped, disparaging everything that was said...

That’s two days before it was said...

I’m surprised at how many people are willing to swallow every spoon fed tidbit from the British press and ignore anything that comes straight from the horse’s mouth.

Bizarre. The whole thing is bizarre.

I've been saying this all day. People swallowing everything from the media but are now going "but how do we know what Harry & Meghan are saying is true? It's all so vague!"

Even if people don't think they believe the media portrayal of MM and what's been going on, unless they actually know them personally, they have to recognise the sources that their opinions are based on.

@AgeLikeWine

So it turns out that what Meghan claimed about getting married three days before the wedding wasn’t actually true. They have now ‘clarified’ that it was effectively a private rehearsal of their vows and that they were legally married during the ceremony.

So what else that she said wasn’t actually true?

I think they're just both a bit dim and didn't realise that the practice wasn't them getting married.

@Maybe83

I'm also quite sick of their bleating on about the UK press considering the US isn't much better.

Oprah has made many comments about the press and their intrusion on her life. In fact there is a section in her book about her family members selling stories about her to the US media in her book. So they have hardly escaped to a desert island with no intrusion. The press come in quite useful when it's suits brand Sussex.

I think that Harry is get a real shock once this pandemic is over and everything is back to how it once was. , the US paparazzi are going to have a field day...

@LadyEloise

Did I read it rightly that Prince Charles is no longer funding them ?

Yes.

But I don't think they've given the full narrative here.

What was reported was that PC agreed to fund them for their trial year (pay for security/expenses) but that would cease after 12 months if they confirmed they wanted to go it alone.

I don't think it's quite as simple as he just "cut them off" without warning.

Fundamentally their security had previously been funded by the Met but when they left the RF they refused to fund it further as policy only covered "working royals" and royals based in the U.K. to boot. Providing international security was estimated at up to 5 times the cost as in the U.K.

Equally the money PC gives/gave to H & W annually is to fund their work - to pay staff salaries, expenses etc. It's not "free" money. If they were not incurring the costs of being royal why should they expected to be compensated for that?

I think conflating Archie not receiving a title and the comment someone made about his skin colour is really vicious of her. She says the two things within the same breath as though they are linked. It is utterly preposterous to suggest that royal protocol would somehow be altered based on the colour of a person’s skin. Totally disturbingly in accurate. This is whipping up a frenzy around the world and is complete nonsense. Everyone in this country knows why Archie is not a prince. The trouble is Americans are pretty gullible for anything said by a celebrity. They will swallow this hook, line and sinker. Mixed-race baby not allowed to be a prince. What garbage. She is vile for doing that and Harry equally so for allowing it to be said.

People swallowing everything from the media but are now going "but how do we know what Harry & Meghan are saying is true? It's all so vague!"

I certainly don't swallow everything the media says and I think most people have the intelligence to understand it's only half the story.

For me personally the reason I doubt what they say is because they seem to continually lie so blatantly about such unnecessary stuff e.g the private wedding and Archie's first word. It's because they lie about the little things I then find it difficult to believe them when they then share shocking revelations.

@MrsFin

If I wanted to escape from racism, I'm not sure the USA would be my first port of call!

She's already said about the racism she experienced growing up in LA!

It strikes me more and more just watching clips and reading the news how much is "I (MM) wrote to RF, said etc etc"

It does feel like Harry has followed her lead which questions a) why he didn't make it clearer to her about what being his wife would entail or b) he did but she didn't actually ever intend to accept those terms after marriage?

This interview has created more questions than answers!