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Harry & Meghan - to hope the Royals answer back?

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DontReallyCareBut · 08/03/2021 11:59

I think the allegations in the Oprah interview are serious enough that protocol should be breached and the Royals should have a voice to give their side too.

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lightand · 10/03/2021 19:25

*Harry said in the interview that the conversation discussing potential skin colour was when H&M first got together - in fact he says it was:
"at the beginning".

That clip is hard to find now and the clip everywhere is Meghan implying it was "in tandem" with conversations about no security and no title etc

Do goo gle deliberately hide things? Because I have been trying to find the statement that H&M put out, when they announced leaving the Royal Family, and I cant find that one either.

MintyCedric · 10/03/2021 19:27

You don't have to be a target's definition of a target to be a target

As I'm sure the families of those killed and maimed in numerous terrorist attacks in the UK will agree, yet we don't see police funding being increased to protect them.

Many people from the US and Ireland are extremely well versed in British history and law...

I'm sure they are, but their taxes aren't funding all this.

MintyCedric · 10/03/2021 19:28

Do google deliberately hide things?

Yes they do. There was period of time last year where it was impossible to find a positive or even neutral article on J K Rowling via Google Hmm

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 10/03/2021 19:30

@mathanxiety did you say that when beatrice and euginee was taken away though? and half the other royals don't have it paid for by the taxpayer either , so when H & M become non working why should they have it paid, its not like they were skint and couldn't afford it themselves

mathanxiety · 10/03/2021 19:31

@Liquorishtoffee
Or just British press though - US and mainland Europe have printed even worse.

Nope, it's just the British gutter press, and in particular the press owned and controlled by the Murdoch empire. It is in a league of its own in the UK - elsewhere the salacity and vitriol tend to be toned down a notch because of the law and because of what society in general will put up with.

The British gutter press is unmatched for its ruthless, cut-throat approach, which includes bribery and hacking into phones, even the phone of a murdered schoolgirl. No topic is off limits for exploitation - race, welfare, immigration, and social status are all fertile territory. There is no civility whatsoever toward its hounded targets, no line it is not prepared to cross in hot pursuit of sales.

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 10/03/2021 19:33

@mathanxiety except it isn't though is it
How can you say all the other press is totally not like this

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 10/03/2021 19:36

@mathanxiety have you googled how much money prince Harry has ? Why were they needing someone else to finance it and why is he ?
Also we don't actually know for certain when charles stopped paying only have one word so far .
But they would well know that as a non working royal you don't get it paid by the taxpayers as many of the other rf don't

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 10/03/2021 19:38

@mathanxiety infact what would actually be unfair is if they continued to get it whilst the other non working royals don't

mathanxiety · 10/03/2021 19:43

did you say that when beatrice and euginee was taken away though? and half the other royals don't have it paid for by the taxpayer either , so when H & M become non working why should they have it paid, its not like they were skint and couldn't afford it themselves

Removing security from any member of the RF is a terrible decision. I have no sympathy at all for Andrew, but he was right to complain about the ending of security for his daughters. Self-paid security that isn't connected to overall RF security isn't going to be as effective as security that is presumably connected to central briefing.

The distinction between working and non-working RF members is completely irrelevant to any terrorist organisation seeking to embarrass an establishment institution, make a name for itself, or pursue a wider campaign of intimidation against a state.

The repercussions of a successful terrorist attack affect not only the family of the victims. Successful terrorist attacks embarrass and destabilise the countries from which the terrorists come and also the countries in which their attacks are carried out.

It is completely irresponsible of the RF to basically paint a big, fat target on prominent members. They are playing the worst of bad neighbours when they fail to understand that terrorism isn't just an individual, personal risk. They have to be willfully blind not to understand that, after the killing of Louis Mountbatten.

H&M and Archie are members of the RF, and closer than Beatrice and Eugenie are to the direct line of succession. There is no way they should have been deprived of experienced security that has contact with the rest of the security accorded to the RF.

mathanxiety · 10/03/2021 19:44

infact what would actually be unfair is if they continued to get it whilst the other non working royals don't

X-post I think.

Again, there is no way there should be a distinction between working and non-working because there is no operational difference in terrorist eyes and no difference in the result if a terrorist attack is facilitated by lack of security.

It's really, really silly to talk of values such as 'fairness'.

redspecial · 10/03/2021 19:59

H&M and Archie are members of the RF, and closer than Beatrice and Eugenie are to the direct line of succession. There is no way they should have been deprived of experienced security that has contact with the rest of the security accorded to the RF. but nobody ever needed to know, really, they made a big show about it. If I was concerned for my own and especially my DC safety the last thing I'd do is noisily make everyone aware of the fact that anything had changed at all, particularly if it was due to refusing to put my hand in my own very deep pockets. They made any security team's job instantly harder by drawing attention to it. Can nobody see that? Is it me?

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 10/03/2021 20:00

@mathanxiety but it would be too expensive , I believe they have it if attending royal engagements but not private , but none of them are skint and can afford their own
Many celebrities also are at risk as such they can't all afford security
Even as a normal person I am at risk , our risk level is pretty high all round

Marmaladeagain · 10/03/2021 20:02

Disagree that lots of US and EU people absolutely do not understand the role the Queen plays in our system of politics.

MM herself wilfully misrepresents the reason Archie wouldn't be a Prince etc.

The fact the US have en masse fallen for this line in and of itself displays they have no grasp - not many in the UK struggle with the reasons why Archie isn't a Prince.

Mummy195 · 10/03/2021 20:16

The York sisters had security paid for till they were 21 and 23

VanillaIce · 10/03/2021 20:19

Yes and it is widely known that Charles wanted to change that arrangement sooner and certainly for further generations.

goldierocks · 10/03/2021 20:26

According to the (still live) Sussex Royal website, H+M are fully aware where funding for royal security comes from:

Does their future financial autonomy extend to covering the costs of security?

The provision of armed security by The Metropolitan Police is mandated by the Home Office, a ministerial department of Her Majesty’s Government, responsible for security and law & order.

So they know the Queen/Royal family are not responsible for paying for security. Who gets it and who doesn't is decided by the Government and the Metropolitan police.

Why blame the family, when they know that security is not within their remit to either grant or remove?

lightand · 10/03/2021 20:32

I found this thread from last year
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/3795043-Harry-and-Meghan-resigning-Act-4-the-Price-of-Freedom
The op was spot on.

mathanxiety · 10/03/2021 20:38

The fact the US have en masse fallen for this line in and of itself displays they have no grasp - not many in the UK struggle with the reasons why Archie isn't a Prince.

Do you have any idea how bad publicity works? Did you notice how receptive people in England were to the slogan on the bus in the runup to the Brexit referendum?

Do you think anyone in American gave any thought until last Sunday to the question of Archie's status?

It doesn't matter why exactly Archie isn't a prince. What matters is that it has now been pointed out that he isn't.

VanillaIce · 10/03/2021 20:41

math am I right in thinking you are in the US?

Can I ask, are any of the news media over there covering the other view? Has anyone pointed out all the inaccuracies and inconsistencies or explained the protocol regarding titles etc? Or has the interview just been swallowed whole and gone unchallenged?

mathanxiety · 10/03/2021 20:41

...but it would be too expensive , I believe they have it if attending royal engagements but not private , but none of them are skint and can afford their own

There is an important practical reason to having it all under the one umbrella, and in fact that reason is the only reason to have security in the first place - effectiveness.
It's a waste of money otherwise.

The RF are not exactly skint either, and these people are their own kith and kin.

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 10/03/2021 20:41

@mathanxiety yes its a shame people believe headlines and don't read whole stories and then source them

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 10/03/2021 20:42

@mathanxiety but its not together is it 1000 of miles away
Do your parents pay your mortgage?

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 10/03/2021 20:44

@mathanxiety also it seems to if worked for years and there was no great outcry when some had t stopped or how some never had it , if the queen paid for H & m then she would have to pay for all her grandchildren , great grandchildren
Most are quite wealthy in their own rights and most don't complain either

Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum · 10/03/2021 20:46

@mathanxiety

infact what would actually be unfair is if they continued to get it whilst the other non working royals don't

X-post I think.

Again, there is no way there should be a distinction between working and non-working because there is no operational difference in terrorist eyes and no difference in the result if a terrorist attack is facilitated by lack of security.

It's really, really silly to talk of values such as 'fairness'.

The level of protection given to royals is based on a threat assessment conducted by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre, reported The Times.

The JTAC gathers intelligence from security services in Britain, the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand - known as the 'Five Eyes partnership' - and then makes recommendations to to the Royal and VIP Executive Committee (Ravec), which is chaired by former civil servant Sir Richard Mottram.

Scotland Yard provides automatic protection to only the most senior royals and members of the Government, but the force will also give protection for any individual who faces a big enough risk

Paquerette · 10/03/2021 20:49

@lightand

You're not kidding!

I'm crap at posting links, but just looked up the letter from Meghan's brother to Harry. He claims that she is acting at being a princess, and their wedding will be "the biggest mistake in royal wedding history". Also that her dad is broke due to paying Meghan's debts, and that she hadn't invited her dad to the wedding (letter looks like it's written in April). I thought that he was a bit bonkers at the time, but maybe not.