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Harry & Meghan - to hope the Royals answer back?

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DontReallyCareBut · 08/03/2021 11:59

I think the allegations in the Oprah interview are serious enough that protocol should be breached and the Royals should have a voice to give their side too.

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IrmaFayLear · 10/03/2021 16:56

Totally agree.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/03/2021 17:12

You'd think somebody very clever would check local wedding laws before lying in a massive press interview about when she got married

You'd think, too, that instead of communing with the chickens and keeping schtum, Harry might have made some remark about lovely it was and how special to them both

If it was true, wouldn't that have been the natural thing to do?

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 10/03/2021 17:24

17 million people in the US viewed the interview, considering it has a population over 300 million it's not a lot really. Some Eastenders Christmas specials have more viewers than that..
Apparently that is a good audience though, I was surprised given their population but apparently pretty good

Mummy195 · 10/03/2021 17:40

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

They already pay for their own 'fucking' security. Yes, they can afford it They do now , but they complained about having to , even if you support them that is true.
This was before they made deals, thank goodness for whoever advised them too.

The queen is the richest woman in the world, you would think she could at least support her great grandchild for a bit while his parents get their bearings together, just for a while. But shamefully, foreigners had to rally around him. At that point, H&M did not know where their next one would be coming from and money goes short easily. Maybe she was hoping them finish their inheritance, and come back grovelling. Even a judge will give an ex wife something in keeping with their usual lives until that person earns enough to match. Said grandson had been working all along. That applies to Charles too.

Very spiteful indeed.

Twintub · 10/03/2021 17:45

Playing devils advocate the only point I thought Harry had was that his family are at risk because of him being RF and that doesn’t change because he no longer works for the firm. IOf course as a tax payer I don’t want to foot the bill so if going on Oprah means they will have the cash it’s win win.

MrsTabithaTwitchit · 10/03/2021 17:47

The Queen is not the richest woman in the world , she’s not even in the top ten richest women in Britain .

Liquorishtoffee · 10/03/2021 17:48

I think doing high profile interview like this is playing with fire. The US media doesn’t exactly use kid gloves. Unless they are hoping to live off an income from suing news outlets...

mathanxiety · 10/03/2021 17:49

17 million people in the US viewed the interview, considering it has a population over 300 million it's not a lot really. Some Eastenders Christmas specials have more viewers than that..

They were up against a season of American Idol that is getting viewing figures of 6-7 million and topping the charts for viewership weekly.

17 million viewers is gobsmacking.

The brand of the Royal family and the UK in general took a walloping in the interview.

In particular, the revelation of the conversation about the darkness of Archie's skin will have revolted people in the US, but the down side of British elitism was laid bare, and not in a way that made it palatable to American audiences. (As crunchy gravel Masterpiece Theatre offerings tend to do.)

Suffocating and cruel is not a good look.

mathanxiety · 10/03/2021 17:51

Said grandson had been working all along.

Indeed, and serving in the forces too.

mathanxiety · 10/03/2021 18:04

You'd think somebody very clever would check local wedding laws before lying in a massive press interview about when she got married.

There is a difference between 'exchanging vows' and 'getting married'.

'Exchanging vows' can be an exchange of personal vows, along the lines of what you might see in a humanist or vaguely spiritual or secular ceremony. There would be no formal wording. Instead there might be personal references, expression of hopes for their future together and outlining of the values they hoped to maintain or create in their relationship.

'Getting married' (for H&M) meant the full CoE whack, with formal vows, formal wording, nothing personal included.

MM We called the Archbishop and we just said, look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world. But we want our union between us, so the vows that we have framed in our room are just the two of us in our backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury and that was the piece that..."

Added Harry, "Yeah, just the three of us."

The morning after the interview aired, a source close to the couple clarified that while Harry and Meghan had exchanged vows in a private ceremony, they were indeed legally married on May 19 at their royal wedding.
www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a35757534/meghan-markle-prince-harry-secret-married-before-wedding/

Marmaladeagain · 10/03/2021 18:20

Harry said in the interview that the conversation discussing potential skin colour was when H&M first got together - in fact he says it was:
"at the beginning".

That clip is hard to find now and the clip everywhere is Meghan implying it was "in tandem" with conversations about no security and no title etc.

Meghan deliberately misdirects. Harry turns up and says it was when first together ie. about a hypothetical baby if he stays with Meghan.

I think I'll take Harry's version at face value rather than Meghan's as it was second hand and she was trying to lump various things in one "moment" for her dramatic effect. Also, ignoring the fact that the current Queen's grandchildren don't all have titles ie. Prince Edward's etc and that it was known to all that Prince Charles wanted slimmed down monarchy.

Unfortunately, Harry wasn't brought up to be in the shadows as Diana wanted them to feel equal. Turns out it's a bit like Sports Day at school where everyone is "winning". Harry sees he is now the "Edward" of the current royal family and William's children are the future.

So once a little time has passed I'd expect we'll get a bit more clarification and Harry will be asked to explain the conversation was about a hypothetical baby with a new girlfriend and that Harry would have to cope with some comments he would find hurtful.

I think suits Meghan to present that they were discussing Archie, but I don't believe they were.

Anne1958 · 10/03/2021 18:25

No one is allowed to put forward a contrary view of events as this is either racist or it means we don't believe Meghan was suicidal which is damaging to anyone else who is suicidal

They are very clever indeed

Bravo!

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 10/03/2021 18:32

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Teddy1970 · 10/03/2021 18:32

The hype before the interview said viewing figures would top the Superbowl at 90 million plus...17 mil is good but it fell way short.

VanillaIce · 10/03/2021 18:34

Turns out it's a bit like Sports Day at school where everyone is "winning". Harry sees he is now the "Edward" of the current royal family and William's children are the future

True. Harry had close to 40 years in the limelight but now that William has children, the spotlight will gradually shift to his family over the coming years. Charlotte and Louis will have their 30 years in the glare of publicity then as soon as George married and has children, the circus shifts once again and Charlotte and Louis will find themselves outside the inner circle.

It’s brutal.

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 10/03/2021 18:35

@Mummy195 so are beatrice and Eugunie but she doesn't pay for them
Also he had a very good inheritance , lets not make out like he was broke, have a quick look how much they are worth
Plus they left to pursue a career outside , they were always going to be able to strike some deals

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/03/2021 18:49

How did she introduce it?

"three days before our wedding, we got married"

The stuff about exchanging vows comes afterwards but without any clarification (unless cut of course) that they didn't get married.

Yes it clearly was just an exchange of vows, very sweet and an understandable thing to do. But they did not "get married" and the fact they had to release a statement saying that actually shows that it was misleading in the first place. Which is their speciality - half truths, misleading and telling bits of stories to make them look far more virtuous than they are.

MintyCedric · 10/03/2021 18:56

@VanillaIce

Turns out it's a bit like Sports Day at school where everyone is "winning". Harry sees he is now the "Edward" of the current royal family and William's children are the future

True. Harry had close to 40 years in the limelight but now that William has children, the spotlight will gradually shift to his family over the coming years. Charlotte and Louis will have their 30 years in the glare of publicity then as soon as George married and has children, the circus shifts once again and Charlotte and Louis will find themselves outside the inner circle.

It’s brutal.

But why should it bother Harry when all he does is whine about media attention and wanting to live a private life? Surely the attention shifting to Wills etc al should be an absolute Godsend?

I have just got round to watching some of the 'highlights'. What struck me is that Meghan doesn't seem to be very big on eye contact at the crucial moments.

mathanxiety · 10/03/2021 18:58

the point is, try to imagine that you just quit your job, you insist your former employer will continue to pay your mortgage, but you also insist that you are moving to a much bigger house so the mortgage payment will be higher than it was when you worked for them. when they refuse, you threaten to damage the company irreparably, and set about doing it.

They are not just employees, and the RF isn't just their employer.

Everyone who is just an employee of the RF signs a ND agreement.

To deny family members security was nasty and very ill-advised.

The RF should be seriously embarrassed that a private citizen of another country took it upon himself to provide that basic necessity for them after their location in Canada had been exposed along with the news that they had no security.

A better analogy than the inaccurate employer/employee/mortgage one you offer is a family member finding the family is refusing to hand over medication once they leave. Yes, they can get a new prescription. Yes, they can buy more medicine. But in the interim they are vulnerable to an underlying illness.

Fwiw, there is no way H&M could safely move into a little old Chicago brick bungalow or tract housing in some suburb of LA, or even an apartment building in NYC. There would be endless gawking, endless paparazzi stalking; a huge security nightmare for local police, state police, CIA and FBI.

Their choice of a gated community was a financially responsible one and one which was considerate of the needs of their neighbours too - neighbours don't like finding photographers or stalkers or out-and-out obsessive weirdos along with potentially well armed haters hiding in their gardens. The place they bought met their desire for privacy and also lowered the burden on local policing and national agencies.

FYI, gated communities don't come cheap, and there are few houses in the area where they live that are smaller and were on the market when they were looking.

If the claim that the RF are supported by the taxpayers is true, and therefore in effect they work for the British public, then the way they choose to spend the money accorded to them should be open to public scrutiny.

Refusing to pay for security for members and those who marry in and are subsequently born into it even when risk or threat level remains, regardless of location, strikes me as a decision that needs urgent scrutiny, and calls to examine the decision-making process within the family would be warranted. Terrorism is an ever present danger, and members of the RF are targets. It's too late to wring hands and condemn violence after something awful happens.

Marmaladeagain · 10/03/2021 19:04

The protection is organised by The Met.

If H&M had decided to stay in UK it would have been easier to organise - but they had Met officers on several week rotas away from their own families to follow H&M around the world.

I do think the problem is people from US or ROI don't really appreciate the constitutional role and muddle it with celebrity.

mathanxiety · 10/03/2021 19:05

But why should it bother Harry when all he does is whine about media attention and wanting to live a private life? Surely the attention shifting to Wills etc al should be an absolute Godsend?

What exactly do you feel he is whining about?
Because it's not 'media attention', broadly and in general. It's a campaign of vilification by the British gutter press.

Maybe people brought up in the UK are used to the gutter press and accept the tone and content spewed forth daily, and are so blind and deaf to it all that it doesn't really register?

There is nothing in all the world quite as filthy, as disreputable, or as willing to stoop really, really low, to print lies and innuendo and utter smut as the British tabloids. The acceptance of what they do is a huge problem in British public life.

Liquorishtoffee · 10/03/2021 19:10

Or just British press though - US and mainland Europe have printed even worse.

mathanxiety · 10/03/2021 19:18

I do think the problem is people from US or ROI don't really appreciate the constitutional role and muddle it with celebrity.

The two are exactly the same to terrorist organisations. You don't have to be a target's definition of a target to be a target. All you need to be is prominent and unguarded.

Have you forgotten the death of Lord Louis Mountbatten? Not even a member of the first tier of The Firm, yet he was blown to pieces. He was a sentimental and symbolic target. He himself had refused security, and his unguarded boat was loaded with 50 lbs of gelignite.

Mountbatten should have known better as a former naval officer and Viceroy of India. Harry is also a former officer, and it seems he learned more than his late relative about risk, both from his mother's experience and from his own service in a place where guerilla tactics are the norm.

Btw, the condescension is not welcome.
Many people from the US and Ireland are extremely well versed in British history and law, and are clearly better versed in what makes a target a target.

Teddy1970 · 10/03/2021 19:22

@Liquorishtoffee

Or just British press though - US and mainland Europe have printed even worse.
There was one US rag questioning Archie's paternity..
Liquorishtoffee · 10/03/2021 19:25

Last time I was in the US my eyes were out on stalks at the absolute crazy stories you see in the press there, or on tv shows. Absolute fantasy land...

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