A positive thread on Harry and Meghan (aka Thread 6)

[Mummy195]

@rousette

I'm sure you won't mind that your excellent link gets 'pinned'.

Some of the things MM did before marrying H.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1282990766097301504.html

Actually @Mummy195 this thread has been to my mind a mostly good natured, mutually respectful discussion about life as a royal in 2020, including H&M - how they could have been better supported, how effectively the household/court system operates, bit of a chat about clothes... I've enjoyed it and it hasn't had deeply entrenched pro or negative views.

@Mummy195

Judging by the looks of this thread, so far, the positive for H&M changed long ago. It has indeed been hijacked by loads of accusations against MM for lying, calling them names /assigning negative labels (childish, petulant etc.). not so stealth digs on how other royals - even from overseas are much better than them, undermining how they do their work, negative foreshadowing for their future etc. etc.

You know, they usual from the negative threads.

Again where are these hateful posts? Stop with the baseless accusations!

It is just a shame to read so much snark on this thread against MM - I wonder whether posters will be able restraint their hate enough to prevent deletions. We will have to wait and see...

Again proof of these hateful posts on here?
Also that sounds like a threat?
Would of thought that was not in the spirit!

@Mummy195

Providing lies in court of law is against the law. That would be perjury. I think it's quite a reach to think MM and the lawyers would risk that

Not saying they are providing lies. I'm saying that they haven't a good track record of being spot on with details in legal documentation. But it's also interesting to see you say 'I don't think this person would lie in court' because that's not at all how legal processes should work. Cases should be judged on evidence, not on whether someone is viewed before the case even begins as someone who wouldn't lie. Otherwise we're back to the bad old days (if we ever fully left them) of upper class people always being given the benefit of the doubt and assumed to be of good character, and lower class people assumed to be criminals, liars etc because that's the stereotypical expectation.

Can we please stop with the snarky maybe MM is perjuring herself in court. It's not really positive, and unproven, while at the same time defamation.

You've posted a number of things on here about other people, including other royals, that are unproven. By your statement here those would be defamatory (which I don't think you are using accurately). I really think we should have the same standards applied across all posts, and not have any comment questioning the Sussexes met with 'that's unproven' but any comment supporting them doesn't need evidence and any questioning is met with 'they wouldn't LIE'.

I also hope MN's rule about not making posters feel unwelcome on threads is applied equally across this and other threads.

@jeffgoldblumlovespenguins

Can you please stop demanding ppl repost what is already on the thread. I am not interested in repeating negative stories about MM, please go over the thread again and look yourself. I already gave examples of what is being discussed.

I respectfully disagree that this thread have been hijacked by hateful and negative comments. I also don’t see how praising other royals (both in the U.K. and abroad) is making digs at or undermining H&M.

[quote Mummy195]@jeffgoldblumlovespenguins

Can you please stop demanding ppl repost what is already on the thread. I am not interested in repeating negative stories about MM, please go over the thread again and look yourself. I already gave examples of what is being discussed.[/quote]
Yes so have I
I find no posts that fit your description,
Which is why I asked for clarification,at least provide proof or stop with the accusations!

So complimenting Catherine, Sophie and Camilla is having a dig at Meghan? How's that then?

I guess the phrase is you reap what you sow

I have no idea what you mean by this. If posters want to join this thread, feel free, it's a free world. I don't care if there's one or two threads.
However fair and frank discussion applies to everyone as far as I'm concerned, no personal insults, deliberate goading, continual questioning over minor points that are really unnecessary, unfounded accusations, I sometimes feel like I'm on trial here with the endless questioning, when I just try to make a general point! Yes of course, I'm happy to clarify, but then it goes on and on and on. To me, it just then becomes a point scoring exercise, who blinks first, irrelevant and not the discussion I was hoping for

@Roussette

I guess the phrase is you reap what you sow

I have no idea what you mean by this. If posters want to join this thread, feel free, it's a free world. I don't care if there's one or two threads.
However fair and frank discussion applies to everyone as far as I'm concerned, no personal insults, deliberate goading, continual questioning over minor points that are really unnecessary, unfounded accusations, I sometimes feel like I'm on trial here with the endless questioning, when I just try to make a general point! Yes of course, I'm happy to clarify, but then it goes on and on and on. To me, it just then becomes a point scoring exercise, who blinks first, irrelevant and not the discussion I was hoping for

I quite agree rousette, but this must apply to all of us , yes?

@jeffgoldblumlovespenguins

It is just a shame to read so much snark on this thread against MM - I wonder whether posters will be able restraint their hate enough to prevent deletions. We will have to wait and see...

Again proof of these hateful posts on here?
Also that sounds like a threat?
Would of thought that was not in the spirit!

Oh come on, how can you possible interprest that post as 'a threat'. I don't have the power to delete posts and threads, the Mumsnet Mods do that. My point was, posts get deleted because posters can't restrain themselves from being so nasty. I don't make posters be so nasty they get threads deleted - they do that all by themselves.

Again with posters being nasty?
Where?

@TheNavigator

There was absolutely no threat in your post. None at all.

@EthelMayFergus

So complimenting Catherine, Sophie and Camilla is having a dig at Meghan? How's that then?

So is the level of censorship so massive now that we can't say anything nice about another Royal? We can only post positive things about MM and Harry.

jeff there are about 10 deleted posts on here for starters. Not saying they were all nasty but I know from memory, at least a couple were

@jeffgoldblumlovespenguins

Again with posters being nasty? Where?

That is the point I was making - the threads get deleted when posters get nasty and then posters get angry about threads being deleted. But threads wouldn't be deleted if posters could restrain themselves from being nasty.

Shall we all take a big deep breath and try ?

So is the level of censorship so massive now that we can't say anything nice about another Royal? We can only post positive things about MM and Harry

Nope. Who wrote that rule?
I think the argument is... we can say nice about other RF members, but not nasty about them

@Roussette

jeff there are about 10 deleted posts on here for starters. Not saying they were all nasty but I know from memory, at least a couple were

I will scroll back and see! However I don't recall seeing hateful nasty posts ! I haven't posted any and as far as I can tell , the more critical posters have reined their opinions in , as respect to the thread.

Shall we all take a big deep breath and try?

Yes yes yes. That's what I've been trying to do. Doesn't always work but hey I'm having a go lol

jeff depends what we categorise hateful and nasty as! Don't doubt you haven't. Nor me.

Substitute the word "Court" for Royal Household or Royal Offices - it makes little difference. Employees they are, whether of The Queen, Charles or William etc. They cover all aspects of Royal working life and in my view shoud not be fair game for being called "vipers" by Harry and Meghan - as reported. They have not distanced themselves from this description.

Regarding the other Court - the highest paid media barristers are dealing with the case for both claimant and defendent. Do you honestly think some of the best legal minds are not able to cross examine a witness or statment and see if there are inconsistencies
(lets not call then lies) and get to the bottom of what has been said and done? Its bread and butter to them and they are highly skilled in looking for such inconsistencies. The judge will be too.

The case has already had elements struck out as being unsubstantiated and irrelevant. If evidence is not compelling, either by written submission or via witness statements and examination in court, it will not prove the case either way.

Actually I do think there has been over-zealous deleting of posts and threads. I had a post deleted some while ago and I still cannot see what was wrong. There is plenty of truthful pieces penned by reputable journalists and reasoned opinion in Opinion Pieces. That is a fair comment if there has not been any restriction on reporting. We still have a free press - just about.

@Roussette

Shall we all take a big deep breath and try?

Yes yes yes. That's what I've been trying to do. Doesn't always work but hey I'm having a go lol

Also: this couple doesn't give a shit about us. I think it's easy to forget that, as we're online seemingly raising standing arms for either side. This is joke!!!

I am used to people re-fighting the Civil War, here we are with the War of the Roses, it would appear.

York vs Lancaster? Hmm..... not sure abut that. Sussex vs Cambridge? Are they roses?

Also: this couple doesn't give a shit about us

Didn't I tell you about the email I got from them thanking me for my support?
(Joke!)

Right!
In the name of fairness I've now scrolled through the thread ,
Almost all the deleted posts were simply signposting and naming another site!
Nothing about m (as I think many posters already knew!).
For two whole pages everyone was chatting happily.
The dynamic changed suddenly, however it wasn't critical posters that caused this.
Respect must be granted to all opinions, even if it differs from your own !