More News on Harry and Meghan

[Viviennemary]

Two little bits of news I read today. First the bells won't ring out at Westminster Abbey for Meghans birthday next month and she'll be devastated. No I don't think she'll even expect them to ring. And I had to smile at Bogart the dog was left behind in Canada because it didn't take to Harry. What else could she do. Hardly leave Harry behind. And it would have been a worry with a baby in the house too. She did the right thing here.

Thanks for that extract.

"The shipping incident is cultural. For sure."

Really?

So why didn't Meghan invite Kate if it was her culture to do so?

I cannot believe they’ve actually done this to themselves. I know they’re distancing themselves from the book but it’s obvious they’ve had some sort of input in it, especially considering how friendly they are with Scobie.

And the thing is, none of this makes them look like the good guys or the victims in this story. They thought they were more popular than the Cambrides because of a google search result (deluded), they were upset because the Queen didn’t have their photo in her Christmas message broadcast (she chose photos that showed the continuous direct line of heirs from her father), stating that Harry was pissed off because William advised caution against rushing into a relationship with a girl he had only just met (considering what happened with their parents this seems a sensible approach to me!), all I am getting out of this book is that Harry is overly sensitive and cosseted and Meghan clearly aspires to be the star of the show. They’re both deluded and believe their own importance.

And now they’ve aired their dirty laundry in public they’re eliminating all that good will the public had for them and burning bridges with their family. The Queen has enough to worry about without her grandson going rogue and dishing private family drama. I honestly used to love Harry & Meghan but they’ve slowly soured my perceptions of them and this is the straw that broke the camels back.

diddl - it is 100% cultural but your point is spot on. She could have. As an ex-Yank I have been through countless situations like this that if I recounted them would derail the thread. If I had to venture a theory for why the onus was on Kate, I'd guess it's because they were in "her" country and M was "new." In LA, Meg would do the inviting.

The story about Kate not offering Meghan a lift from Kensington Palace to the shops was first published as a blind item on the Lainey Gossip website on 17 February 2017. Elaine Lui runs Lainey gossip and she works with Ben Mulroney, Meghan's good friend Jessica Mulroney's husband - they were co-hosts on a tv show called e-talk (this is all changed recently since Jessica Mulroney has become embroiled in a controversy over entitled and potentially racist actions, meaning she may no longer be so close to Meghan, and her husband no longer co-hosts that show). But, anyway, at the time the blind was published, Elaine Lui and the Mulroney's were in the same circle as Meghan (there's a photo of them all out at a big dinner together, too). At the time the blind was published, Meghan and Harry had been in a relationship for 6 months, and it had been public since November 2016.

Anyway, given the fact that the information came from someone on the inside at Kensington palace, and was revealed via Lainey gossip, I have always though the most likely source of the information would have been Meghan herself, to Jessica and thence to Elaine Lui. And if the book keeps pushing the line that yes, this happened, and shows how Kate was unwelcoming, I think it's actually very unhelpful to Meghan's cause. Kate and William would have very good reason to be wary of a girlfriend who appeared to be using her network to leak stories about private interactions into the public domain, to make Kate look bad.

The thing about the photo is so ridiculous.

He should be counting his blessings that his GPs are still about!

But whinging about a photo?

I didn't see much of the engagement interview that they did as I found it too embarrassing to watch.

But if it was in any way him, he came across to me as very immature, so maybe he would kick off about a pic?

They seem to be perpetual victims, don't they?

" I'd guess it's because they were in "her" country and M was "new." In LA, Meg would do the inviting."

But then if it isn't he culture in the country of residence, why would offense be taken?

So if you are going shopping, you always invite or tell friends/family who live nearby so that they can come if they want to?

CallmeAngelina

I'm sorry if I've got it wrong. I have not purposely twisted it. I just read that 'Dad would have been bad for her image' and
'Thomas would have shown the world that she is in fact half Irish'
and assumed that is what was meant.
Wrongly, obviously

I've always found it odd that H never bothered to meet his girlfriend/fiancee's father and yes, it makes you wonder if M was embarrassed about them and they didn't fit the image she wanted to project.

I much prefer shopping on my own to going with someone else. And if I was as high profile as either of those two, it would be much easier to stay relatively incognito alone, rather than in a pair.
Imagine the pap shots!

@Viviennemary

I am firmly convinced Thomas was not invited to the wedding. He said himself he had received no official invitation. I'd love to have absolute confirmation if he received an official invitation or not. Because that could make all the difference to this story of she said he said. Why didn't Harry meet him once in the two years they dated.

According to the Sunday Times article, Thomas had been invited, transport had been arranged, including a chauffeur driven limo to and from the airport. After he was found to have colluded with a photographer, Thomas apparently stopped replying to Megan's texts. Apparently Megan sent 20 texts and he didn't respond to them. Apparently they concluded he wasn't coming through what he said to the tabloids. The article says:

"But to spare his daughter and the royal family any further embarrassment, he would no longer attend the wedding."

But at no point did he actually turn down the invitation and say he wasn't coming. So, that would suggest they inferred his intentions from interviews he gave and cancelled the arrangements. He couldn't reply to Megan and Harry's text or tell them about his plans because he was in hospital having a heart attack.

They took his silence to mean he wasn't coming. Again they interpreted his intentions without him actually saying anything.

The book twists events and makes out that Megan is the wronged party. It's beyond belief. It says she was "willing to move on". She placed "some of the blame on herself." (How generous of her.) There is a lot of emphasis on what they bought for him: a bespoke suit and shoes was waiting for him, he would be put up in a hotel, he'd have an 'assistant' in London and someone to guide him through the airport. Megan was "embarrassed" in front of the Queen, apparently. But at no point does it say she was upset, or that she would actually miss her father's presence. It's all about how she was wronged by him.

Of course she has. And she will twist it in the complaint she makes to mumsnet too

Don't be so ridiculous. I imagine you think I have a hotline to MNHQ and complain about posts regularly.
I don't. You choose whether you want to believe that or not. I think you would be surprised how rarely I report posts. And never ever when it involves personal attacks on me, so just jog on with that accusation.

I have corrected my post saying I obviously made an assumption. No one else ever corrects anything on here even when questioned. So please stop being so rude.

"I much prefer shopping on my own to going with someone else."

Well yes, sometimes I might want to ask a friend & sometimes not.

I can't get my head around wanting to do something but also having to ask someone else!

It can't be the case that you can never just take yourself shopping for fear of offending someone!

Could someone tell me what the shopping incident was?
Reading the papers today, it feels this book is short on actual facts. It just feels like a retelling of everything from H&M's point of view. I remember reading the excerpts of Andrew Morton's book in the Times way back when. It really was quite explosive at the time. It was quite shocking to read what was really going on behind the scenes. This book seems like a waste of paper.

The engagement interview was cringe making. I first heard of her when I read Harry was dating an American actress. Thats all I knew. And I thought that won't last. Then I heard they were getting engaged. I thought oh dear. Still knew nothing about her. so I watched the engagement interview. It was awful. I thought disaster with a capital D. But the Charles and Diana one was pretty bad too in retrospect. Charles saying 'Whatever love is!' The Fergie Andrew interview was very natural.

The Kate William quite stilted. I wasn't keen on Kate at first. But she is so right for the role.

I must admit, I only read the headlines in the mail ( not the whole thing) and I'm not a Times subscriber , so my main source of the latest Royal stories are on mumsnet and mostly the threads about H and M are pulled!
I'm old enough to have watched William and Harry grow up over the years and there is no doubt in my mind they were incredibly close and that seemed to stop once he met Meghan. I would wager a fiver that Kate and her just didn't 'hit it off' and William asking him if was sure about her was probably just someone being cautious because they hadn't own each other that long when they became engaged. His own parents knew each other properly for about thirteen weeks when they got engaged and we all know that wasn't a happy marriage..I bet he just takes his ' older brother' responsibilities quite seriously , whether it's his business or not.
I can imagine that Kate is a reserved person and probably just didn't take to Meghan's more chatty open kind of personality.
Of course I've no more idea than anyone else as I don't know any of them and never met them, but family dynamics are a fragile thing whoever you are and these are more fragile than a lot of others might be with all their history!
Meghan was also not aware of how the royals work : the protocol would annoy me but you really need to just go with it I would imagine. She clearly couldn't handle the rules ( the tights on the children at the wedding for example! ..) it's the small things that probably sent her mad!
Who knows, but sounds like this new book with ruffle feathers. The Queen must despair of them all at times.

Kate is a queen in waiting. Megan was wife of the spare. Why would she think Kate would give her a lift to go shopping? For one thing, Kate might be doing something private that she didn't want other people to know about. But Megan's assumption is that they are both equal and Kate should go out of her way to be helpful

Gee, relating to someone as a human being rather than pulling rank? I’m with Meghan on this one, even as it pains me to type that (if the story is even true, that is)

I've just finished the TM/wedding article. There are so many unexplained gaps. Firstly, why did TM never meet Harry in the first place. This has never been addressed. It's not like they didn't have the means to travel to him. If anyone should feel betrayed first it's TM.

I'm sure the AN case the defence claim they have evidence TM did respond. And the book extract obviously doesn't include the full sequence of communication. So the book is trying to paint TM as the bad one. That she got no response the night before the wedding but I thought he was still in hospital at that point but I may have recalled that incorrectly. If he was though then it's awful to suggest he was just ignoring her.

Plus it goes on to suggest H&M blame the media not TM as they see him as vulnerable. Yet they have cut him off? MM stated herself in her court claim that the letter was not an attempt at reconciliation. They are trying to portray themselves the victims of TM
and media behaviour. As always. They have not taken responsibility for a single thing of this entire messy train wreck of a situation. I'm so sick of this pair yet I can't help but be curious what they are going to do next to make the situation worse than it already was. It's like some sort of morbid curiosity!

"I’m with Meghan on this one,"

Why?

What were the circs of it all do we know?

Did Kate know that Meghan wanted to shop at the same time?

Even if she did why did that mean that she should take her with her or offer her a lift?

It's still weird to her that no one hugs and that everyone is so uptight, especially Kate,' the source said."

This is vicious. I'd never address another word to her again if I was Kate. What about her kids? The implication seems to be a lack of demonstrating love and that must surely have an impact on the kind of mother she is, and that I couldn't forgive.

I agree Vivienne. The RF must thank their lucky stars for Kate and her family.
I think the engagement interviews are terribly cringey anyway, for participants and viewers! They seem to require gushing, extended gazing into eyes and holding a hand out like a sore paw (although I do like to see the ring!)

Even I'm with Meghan that Kate should have made an effort at least to begin with. Both Camilla and Kate have a wide circle of friends and family. Meghan AFAIK didn't have anyone permanently based in the UK. But on the other hand Meghan made no effort to introduce Harry to her father and didn't even invite any of her family to the wedding apart from Doria. So she is hardly one to talk about including family. She seems to expect standards of behaviour from others but doesn't apply it to herself.

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