More News on Harry and Meghan

[Viviennemary]

Two little bits of news I read today. First the bells won't ring out at Westminster Abbey for Meghans birthday next month and she'll be devastated. No I don't think she'll even expect them to ring. And I had to smile at Bogart the dog was left behind in Canada because it didn't take to Harry. What else could she do. Hardly leave Harry behind. And it would have been a worry with a baby in the house too. She did the right thing here.

" Zara has indeed a talent with horses"

Absolutely, but she has also been fortunate to grow up with them & have parents who could fund her.

@carpetshagger

I'm probably unrealistic but I'd love to see a member of the RF do a professional full time job like nurse, doctor, teacher etc.

What, you mean like an air ambulance helicopter pilot? Or an active member of the armed forces? I presume William couldn't be full-time because of his other royal duties.

"I presume William couldn't be full-time because of his other royal duties."

Yes, I'd always thought that here must be some agreement-hence why so many join "HM's" forces.

@KatherineParr4 thank you so much for the share tokens! Please can I be cheeky and ask if you have one for the wedding one?

Yes, thanks @KatherineParr4! At the risk of being greedy (or not reading the thread properly) is there a share token link to the section about Meghan and Thomas Markle (published today, just after midnight)? I would be really interested to read this version of events with her father.

@CallmeAngelina

Meghan thought that she shared a unique position with Kate.

And therein lay the problem. She was never in the same position as Kate, who is the wife of a future king, whereas Meghan isn't.

The bit about Kate not inviting her to go shopping is nuts.

Kate is a queen in waiting. Megan was wife of the spare. Why would she think Kate would give her a lift to go shopping? For one thing, Kate might be doing something private that she didn't want other people to know about. But Megan's assumption is that they are both equal and Kate should go out of her way to be helpful. What planet is she on?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9959087c-ce91-11ea-bbb4-8fadf03ff542?shareToken=a00619f8a4d658a000b0c39064cb7308

I've no sympathy at all about how everything unfolded with Meghan's father.
Why didn't they hop in a plane and go to meet him in person straight after the engagement? Or just before it became public? I doubt any of the problems that developed would have happened if they had gone to meet him and make a plan....

@BarleylemonPenguin

So how come people over the centuries have schemed, intrigued, murdered, waged war, married innocent daughters off to tyrants, all to get the faintest opportunity of beoming king?

It used to be that the top royal was the richest person in the land, and opportunities open to women were few, so many sought out this route. Now, things have changed. Others are now far wealthier than many royals. We also now know that wealth only works up to a certain point, after which happiness levels remain the same however wealthy you get. It does bring many problems, though, as we can all see. I honestly have no idea why Kate or Meghan married into the royal family instead of findings a wealthy, but sensible, person to marry.

Kate's sister has played a blinder in this respect (although her husband doesn't seem to have been her first choice). She went after bankers and got a hedge fund husband whose income is the same as the GDP of a small country. He is worth more than William. Obviously they don't have the castles and servants but they don't have the obligations either. And as private citizens they are free to complain about press intrusion.

I am firmly convinced Thomas was not invited to the wedding. He said himself he had received no official invitation. I'd love to have absolute confirmation if he received an official invitation or not. Because that could make all the difference to this story of she said he said. Why didn't Harry meet him once in the two years they dated.

[quote KatherineParr4]www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9959087c-ce91-11ea-bbb4-8fadf03ff542?shareToken=a00619f8a4d658a000b0c39064cb7308[/quote]
Thank you for sharing these links.

"I am firmly convinced Thomas was not invited to the wedding."

Wasn't he ill at the time?

If he hadn't been, it would have been quite a thing thing to manipulate events such as you feel it's best not to invite your dad (& not be condemned for it).

But I can see how having a future King walk you part way might appeal more than your dad to some.

@diddl

"I presume William couldn't be full-time because of his other royal duties."

Yes, I'd always thought that here must be some agreement-hence why so many join "HM's" forces.

William was under scrutiny in 2017 for how much he worked as his two roles didn't add up to one FT position. Even the bbc calculated that in the first few months of 2017 he worked only 34 out of 53 working days.

Wasn't it once said by some commentator that the Royal family make it look like they are working hard while actually doing very little?

Prince William: How hard has he worked in 2017 so far? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39280761

Zara has indeed a talent with horses and worked hard to achieve a lot but what is she actually doing now?

She is a Director at Cheltenham Racecourse

This whole blame game that Kate and William weren't welcoming enough just sounds pathetic to me. What about all the other RF members that H was famously close to before he got married. He was great friends with Zara and Mike Tindall, but I remember reading that they barely saw H after (even before) his wedding. What about Beatrice and Eugenie who H also had a close relationship with? Why didn't H do more to bring M into those circles? Not to mention all H's other friends from childhood that he froze out. It looks to me like they isolated themselves and developed a victim mentality early on.

Apart from anything else, if Kate and Meghan didn't naturally bond that's completely normal in life. We all have inlaws that we don't naturally take to. I don't think Kate is a mean person, she is shy and was bullied badly herself as a child. I just think she didn't take to Meghan's personality and instinctively stayed away from her. H seems not to be able to handle that some people don't adore M.

Gosh, where did that come from? She wanted nothing to do with her father because he was half Irish?
Is there a source for this or is it just hearsay?

The invitations would have been sent out weeks before Thomas was taken ill. So no he wouldn't have been ill when invitations were sent out.

Both Harry and Meghan eulogised in their engagement interview about how fantastic his family had been towards Meghan.
Were they lying then? Or did they just change the narrative later, when it suited them better?

The shipping incident is cultural. For sure.

Kate would have been expected to 'know' that Meghan's feelings would be hurt by not being asked to join. It is the sort of thing that an American would definitely do- extend the invitation-whereas a British person would feel it was okay to go about their business as they had planned. However, weirdly, an American might expect you to 'know' that it wasn't convenient too. It is a very, very fraught dance.

These girls were from totally different worlds from a cultural standpoint, on a lot of levels. It would have taken some time to settle in.

Kate is a very private person - I have this 100% from someone who was st school with them. She would have been wary but it would have been nothing personal.

She wanted nothing to do with her father because he was half Irish?

That is absolutely NOT what the poster was saying. You have twisted it.

Sorry - shopping

Over the course of several phone calls, Harryrry and Meghanhan told him he should do his best to ignore all press. But, ultimately, he didn’t listen.

The irony...

Thanks again katherine for the share tokens.