Harry and Meghan court dramas (not Suits)

[ARoseInHarlem]

Starting this thread while I digest the last few posts on the previous thread. I think the H&M saga could be as unsettling for the RF as the Charles & Diana bad publicity in the 1990s, if not worse.

@My0My he's probably still in the honeymoon phase of being in a new country. When I was in that phase, I was cautioned by a family friend who'd lived around the world. I was annoyed at him for spoiling my happiness and optimism. About 18 months down the line, I knew exactly what he meant. You get through it because you love the person you're with.

@calmcoolandcollected

Maybe the RF also needed to heed some advice. Like I say, faults on both sides.

Like what? HMQ allegedly suggested MM continue working as an actress, and that was rejected by HaM, who stated MM would "hit the ground running". She chose to "work" in the BRF. She was included as a fiancee in family functions, something no other fiance/fiancee had ever experienced. How could KP have denied stories which they say are largely true, according to The Telegraph? How could they control what MM's sister said?

I think they should have condemned the dog whistle racism in the red tops. But they had reached an accord post Diana and were scared to rock the boat. They chose to protect their own, including pervy Andrew and racist Philip and I judge them for that.

Yep, he’s besotted. Won’t last though!

Apparently there were hundreds and thousands of negative stories about Meghan. I would assume it would be tiresome for any aides to have to respond to every criticism or slight. MM thinks she is above criticism, worth way more to GB then she received from Charles or the Queen and is a complete fantasist. She could have enjoyed what she had, which she thought was modest, and kept her head down. She wanted more. You can see why the tiara row was true. You can see why staff left. Who could work for her when she thought her staff were complicit in her unhappiness. “No comment” when allegations are largely truthful is the only response.

Maybe Harry is relieved that his wife is not suffering from the tabloid attacks like she did when pregnant. Maybe he is genuinely happy in LA and has no desire to ditch his wife and come crawling back to UK? . I don’t know if anyone in America really cares much about the RF especially right now, so maybe this suits them to be a small fish in a big pond as then at least MM wouldn’t be attacked by the US tabloids like here.

I always thought the story about the tiara didn't make sense. I imagine the Queen offering a selection of tiaras she's willing to lend, for MM to choose from. How on earth would MM be aware of others which the Queen didn't want to lend?

Maybe Harry is relieved that his wife is not suffering from the tabloid attacks like she did when pregnant.

She is still a tabloid target. In fact, even more so now, as US tabloids are making things up. If you think the UK tabloids were vile take a peak at US magazine or the National Enquirer.

But who takes the National enquired seriously? The DM , the Sun etc are very different from those tabloids I think. Plus I genuinely think MM has a fairer chance on the mainstream commentary there.

Enquirer I meant

It’s easy to look at pictures of the Queen wearing tiaras! Even I could pick out one I fancied! It’s hardly requiring me to be sleuth of the century. She was difficult. You don’t lose staff unless you fall out with them.

If certain allegations in newspapers were true, being pregnant doesn’t make them untrue. If something is largely true and you take action in court, you lose. Dirty washing isn’t what the RF like. Meghan does. We will see what comes out in the book and the course case. It won’t be pretty.

Anybody can Google the tiaras in the royal collection. The one Meghan wanted (if it's to be believed) is a very grand Emerald Tiara. Much more showy than the one Kate wore. And that would never do.

People do read the Enquirer, and it has broken stories, such as John Edwards' illegitimate child and his use of campaign funds to pay his mistress, and Rush Limbaugh's drug use. They were nominated for a Pulitizer prize for their John Edwards reporting.

I think when The Enquirer prints something truly outlandish, it's dismissed, but they often print stories that are, in fact, true. They also have hundreds of true stories they've never printed, either because their previous owner blackmailed the subjects, or there was a perceived benefit to them sitting on the information.

So basically MM independently researched what tiaras the Queen owned? Wow. I remember when Fergie married (that disgusting man) Andrew. She had flowers cover her tiara and only displayed the tiara after her marriage. She seemed so lovely then!

Well if you don’t want what The Queen offers and say you want something else, then you have seen the one you would like somewhere. So either in the jewel safe or in a picture! I’m not sure if MM was allowed a peek inside a few tiara boxes but she didn’t want what she was offered. If staff have to come to court one can expect all sorts of awkward questions. For the Royal Household and for MM.

To go from being a supporting actress on a Canadian TV drama, to equating yourself with the Queen of England ("collaborate with"), is a leap that I think anyone would struggle to make alone

I don't think the rest of the world feels quite the reverence towards the RF tbh. For people not originally from the UK, the RF is simply completely irrelevant and unimportant. They are seen in the same 'celebrity' light as a cast member of Coronation St or similar soap. When they make their trips abroad, of course there will be spectators in much the same way there would be spectators for other public figures. However, the 'institution' of the RF and the deep feelings (some of) the UK population have for the RF is incomprehensible if they even bothered to give it a thought at all.

I think Harry failed to inform her of what would be expected of her. They are in love, they had to move fast if they wanted children, Cressida and Chelsea had already dismissed the idea of marriage - its understandable.

@Sittingontheveranda, as a foreigner, I will say you are mistaken. The RF isn't viewed as "celebrities" in many Commonwealth countries. HMQ is well respected in my country, other royals are not, they are mostly irrelevant.

&calmcoolandcollected* That is your view. I am also a foreigner and I can assure you that very few in my republican country have respect or little more than a celebrity type interest, in the UK RF or indeed any RF.

I am not in a republican country. I can tell you with certainty this is not my view. It's backed up by polls.

Broken down by country -

www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2018-05/ipsos-mori-royal-wedding-poll-2018-presentation.pdf

I don’t imagine if an A list Hollywood celebrity had their wedding televised that it would have the same worldwide viewing figures that William and Kate’s wedding attracted. It was broadcast in 180 countries, India 42 million USA 22 million (60 million tuned in point during the ceremony) 9.9 million in Germany 9.6 million in France. 72 million live streamed it live on You tube and is in the Guinness book of world records. To say they have the same pulling power as a British soap star is beyond ridiculous, and I’m speaking as a republican!

@Sittingontheveranda, none of your poll (which is almost 2 years old) negates my assertion. HMQ is consistently viewed favourably here, with about 85% of respondents, year in and year out (including this year), stating she has done a good job as monarch (of our country, not the UK). She is always the most favoured member of the BRF, and has been, consistently, for at least 2 decades of polling.

I agree that HaM are irrelevant. Perhaps they will be successful in their desire to produce movies and television programs, but I don't think Americans will care enough about them to pay to hear them speak.

6.3m watched the Queen's speech on Christmas day last year.

11.5m UK viewers for Harry and Meghan. 28m Americans.
14.8m UK viewers for Edward and Sophie.
17.6m UK viewers for William and Kate.
28m UK viewers for Charles and Diana. 22.8m Americans.
21.1m Spanish viewers for Felipe and Letizia.
24 million people watched Ken Barlow marry Deirdre.

People will watch televised weddings. In particular, some countries will specifically air royal weddings and of course generate masses of viewers. People love watching weddings esp when the sky is the limit in terms of budget. The pomp and ceremony are circus like and some are fascinated. And others, like me, watch only to see the clothes and the wedding attire.

I know she’s not Canadian, but MM lived in Canada long enough to grasp that she’s our head of state, on much of our money, we have the Queen’s Printers, sing God Save the Queen on occasion, etc. The reigning monarch, even to under 40’s, is not seen as just a celebrity to most Canadians, republican sentiment or not.

For people not originally from the UK, the RF is simply completely irrelevant and unimportant. They are seen in the same 'celebrity' light as a cast member of Coronation St or similar soap.

That’s not true at all. In my home commonwealth country, the BRF is seen as the anti-thesis of celebrity. It’s seen as a symbol of continuation and stability in a world filled with dirty politics and fast celebrity. That’s also why people in my home country haven’t taken well to the court dramas - it’s all being seen as insulting and silly.

BinkyBoinky

On the first page of this board there are 27 threads on H&M, mostly to slag off Meghan, and only 1 on Andrew. Isn't Andrew the real villain of the piece? No, must be the foreign woman

Is that not because it is unanimously agreed that A is a thoroughly unpleasant man? Not much of a debate !

@Sittingontheveranda, my daughter knows who Harry and Meghan are, cares not one whit about them. My sons only know who Meghan is because I've mentioned her. They don't even know what she looks like (or Harry, for that matter). They all know who HMQ is, and they know who Charles is, and could identify them in photos. I agree with Ritascornershop, none of them would view the BRF as celebrities.