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Harry and Meghan court dramas (not Suits)

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ARoseInHarlem · 02/07/2020 21:19

Starting this thread while I digest the last few posts on the previous thread. I think the H&M saga could be as unsettling for the RF as the Charles & Diana bad publicity in the 1990s, if not worse.

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calmcoolandcollected · 04/07/2020 04:10

Is that not because it is unanimously agreed that A is a thoroughly unpleasant man? Not much of a debate !

Very true. I've never read anything by anyone who suggested Andrew is anything but thick and entitled.

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ARoseInHarlem · 04/07/2020 04:31

@alliwantisagoodnightssleep

MM did not want privacy. She wanted secrecy

I think this is true. Her latest counter-claims imply that she expected the RF’s comms people to be her PR people.

I don’t think she understood that she was there to serve the RF, who are there to serve the people. I think she felt the RF’s resources were there to serve her.

Hence the petulant “but I brought a million quid into this country with my wedding”. The unspoken next line is “that money belongs to me, I’m the one they came to see. You know what, I’m off. I can do better for myself than this”.

As someone who has got where she’s got through work and hustle, I don’t much imagine she likes giving anything away for free. Everything will be a transaction. That’s showbiz.

Explains everything.

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Ritascornershop · 04/07/2020 06:14

For those wondering why people aren’t commenting as much on Andrew ... personally I find Andrew’s reported behaviour so repellant that I don’t want to give it much headspace. Also I can’t relate, at all, even a little bit, to the situation he finds himself in.

With Megan, however, it is a situation of etiquette, a subject I do find very interesting. Also, with a great leap of imagination, I can think “what if I’d married into the RF” and wonder what I’d do. I hope almost no-one thinks “if I’d been a prince and met some creepy people how far would I have gone?” It’s just gross and obvious that - at the very least - his judgement in spending time with Epstein and Maxwell was very bad, at the least.

FannyCann · 04/07/2020 08:37

"Many are now starting to question what victory may look like if the Sussexes end up burning all their bridges – not just with the Palace but the British public, too."

From the article in yesterday's Telegraph.
I'd say those bridges are well and truly burned already. If I were Charles I'd absolutely refuse to pay a penny for this court case and I'd also be setting a very tight budget for their lifestyle going forward.

Blossom513 · 04/07/2020 08:39

There also isn't actually anything new to talk about with Andrew. I know Maxwell has been arrested now however at the moment this hasn't changed anything for Andrew. We can only wait and see what happens with him next.

It also demonstrates how never explain, never complain works for the RF. He tried to explain himself in that god awful interview which quite rightly he was ripped apart for and definitely implicated himself further. Didn't he also go against Palace advice in that instance? I know he's stepped down/sacked from royal duties now but he's not said or done anything since which is why I think it's being discussed less. If he was still going round giving interviews or 'sources' were going to the press to try and defend him then I think there would be more threads here for sure.
It does show there can't be too much negative press if you aren't giving them anything new to report on.

H&M are regularly putting themselves back in the public domain so people will discuss it. It doesn't mean they think they are worse than Andrew FFS. They are not comparable!

Roussette · 04/07/2020 08:55

I've never read anything by anyone who suggested Andrew is anything but thick and entitled

That's exactly the same as has been levelled at Harry! And worse. I've reported a couple of posts in the past for the truly awful names he's been called.

Personally, I do want to give PA headspace because his actions have never come from a good place and he sums up entitled for me. Many many people have said so before the Epstein story came out.

Roussette · 04/07/2020 09:05

Interesting quote from Diana, when she was alive...

The press is ferocious. It forgives nothing. It only hunts for mistakes. Every intention is twisted. Every gesture criticised. I believe that abroad it is different. I'm welcomed with kindness. I'm taken for what I am, without prior judgement, without looking for blunders. In Britain it is opposite. I believe that in my position anyone sane would have left a long time ago.

Says it all for me.

KatherineParr4 · 04/07/2020 09:17

What did Diana mean by ‘abroad’ though? She was only abroad in an official, not personal capacity most of the time. How would anyone know abroad what she was really like? Does she mean the paparazzi in St Tropez?
The public only knows a person in a very public role through what they present , what they say and do. Therefore it’s crucial to be very careful what they say and do, and think carefully about the impact that makes. Hitting the ground running before you can walk or know where you are headed might not seem to be the best policy. Taking advice and doing careful research, learning from others and being careful not to upset those around you might be more important.

Isthisfinallyit · 04/07/2020 09:38

*I've never read anything by anyone who suggested Andrew is anything but thick and entitled

That's exactly the same as has been levelled at Harry! And worse. I've reported a couple of posts in the past for the truly awful names he's been called. *

I think that there are still a lot of people who feel sorry for Harry, parents have a public divorce, losing his mum suddenly, having trouble finding a bride, bad mental health problems, always being the sidekick et cetera. Even if they feel he went off the rails some people still hope that he'll apologize and come back.

Nobody has any sympathy for Andrew, so what is there left to say really?

zafferana · 04/07/2020 09:48

I think underneath it's a classic case of 'marry in haste, repent at leisure'. William and Kate could see that and tried to warn Harry, but he was clearly head over heels about Meghan and wouldn't listen. Not only that, but he thought W&K were being disloyal, when in fact they were just trying to urge caution when the stakes were so high.

Meghan, growing up in California and having never lived in the UK, could never have fully appreciated what she was letting herself in for unless she and Harry had lived together here in this country for a couple of years before getting engaged. But he was in a hurry to marry and settle down - had been very public about that ambition in interviews - and she was already 37, her biological clock ticking and she was ambitious as hell to marry her prince after such a romantic, secret whirlwind of a relationship.

If they'd had more time and she'd really understood what she was letting herself in for and if she'd given living in the UK more time then I suspect things would've been very different. Maybe they wouldn't have married at all. I moved to the USA and thought it would be similar to living in the UK. It's not, it's totally different and Americans can be very different to Brits. It took me five years to feel at home there - and I didn't have the press following my every move.

Roussette · 04/07/2020 09:50

What did Diana mean by ‘abroad’ though?
No idea. Just felt it was apt.

EvilPea · 04/07/2020 09:52

The blind gossip website comment section is interesting to see the American view of it

YouSayWhat · 04/07/2020 10:01

Have you started a Prince Andrew thread Roussette? I’d be interested in commenting on there. Link please.

BananaPop2020 · 04/07/2020 10:02

Blind Gossip is brilliant and often very accurate

ajandjjmum · 04/07/2020 10:06

@Roussette

Interesting quote from Diana, when she was alive...

The press is ferocious. It forgives nothing. It only hunts for mistakes. Every intention is twisted. Every gesture criticised. I believe that abroad it is different. I'm welcomed with kindness. I'm taken for what I am, without prior judgement, without looking for blunders. In Britain it is opposite. I believe that in my position anyone sane would have left a long time ago.

Says it all for me.

Ironic that the 'welcome' she received from abroad, ultimately led to her death in Paris whilst being chased by the foreign press.
KatherineParr4 · 04/07/2020 10:07

Ironic that the 'welcome' she received from abroad, ultimately led to her death in Paris whilst being chased by the foreign press.

Yes exactly

FannyCann · 04/07/2020 10:12

Ghislaine and Kevin’s game of thrones at Buckingham Palace digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/276/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/276/pub/276/page/4/article/58685

Off topic from H & M obv but I'm really shocked at this picture. I bet The Queen is fuming, I am on her behalf.

I'd love to know who took the photo and where the Telegraph obtained it from.

“They were larking about on the thrones, doing regal waves,” said the source. “Ghislaine sat on the Queen’s throne with Spacey pretending to be the Duke of Edinburgh. No one can recall if Prince Andrew was actually in the throne room at the time but he was in charge of the visit.”

If Andrew wasn't in the room at the time who was in charge of the tour?

EvilPea · 04/07/2020 10:17

That picture made me really angry as well - not sure why. Obviously the brain washing goes deep!!

Surely this is exactly the kind of reason Meghan wasn’t allowed to just mill about the palace on her own?

thisenglishlife · 04/07/2020 10:22

@YouSayWhat

Have you started a Prince Andrew thread Roussette? I’d be interested in commenting on there. Link please.
There's one running here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/3807047-Prince-Andrew-fails-to-cooperate-with-FBI
YouSayWhat · 04/07/2020 10:30

Super! Thank you.

EthelMayFergus · 04/07/2020 10:37

I think that Diana also had situations that she didn't want the press to know about (e.g. she had affairs with married men and hounded their wives). I think that if you demonstrate behaviour that would appal most members of the public, whilst simultaneously trying to convince them of your altruism and kindness, you're not going to like the press intrusion.

Roussette · 04/07/2020 10:37

Surely this is exactly the kind of reason Meghan wasn’t allowed to just mill about the palace on her own?

I think it's a little different having Meghan, married to the Queen's grandson 'milling about the palace on her own' and Kevin Spacey and Ghislaine Maxwell (a procurer of young girls for a paedophile)

ButteryPuffin · 04/07/2020 10:37

I'd be interested to know when Diana made that statement. Because she benefited from being the darling of the press at various times, and also made strategic use of it herself, but clearly at that point only saw it as a negative force. As with pretty much everything, it's more complicated than that. I also don't believe that 'abroad' is a magical place where everyone is smiling and benevolent unlike the sour-faced Brits, any more than I would believe that foreigners are all stupid or evil people who don't know how to do things the proper British way. That statement from Diana seems either very naive about the media and the world (which, depending on when she made it, seems unlikely) or very loaded - deliberately painting a picture of the place and people she was withdrawing from as hostile, with herself as the victim. (And I say all this as someone relatively sympathetic to Diana.)

KatherineParr4 · 04/07/2020 10:40

Surely it must have been Andrew who took the picture? I remember reading something about this a while back. It's really quite shocking.