Harry and Meghan court dramas (not Suits)

[ARoseInHarlem]

Starting this thread while I digest the last few posts on the previous thread. I think the H&M saga could be as unsettling for the RF as the Charles & Diana bad publicity in the 1990s, if not worse.

And don't even get me started on Harry lecturing white people on white privilege. The irony of that was so entirely lost on him that it was a wonder to behold.

@User214934514

And his son -Archie??? Weekend and school holiday access with his father. So that Harry can be with W&K again. Sounds great you've got your priorities in order confused

It's obvious that in the event of a separation chances are virtually nil that Harry will be able to take him back to the UK (unless it happens much later on and that's what A explicitly wants). It's a tragic but common fact of long-haul divorces. As a PP said, Archie will have a very unusual childhood growing up as a British blood royal in LA without any connection to his country and 'subjects'.

Another thought is that if things go pear-shaped, the RF is probably happy to let MM have full custody. Having Archie split his time between UK and USA especially as a young child means MM will be back more often as well. After the whole shitshow (the worst of which is still yet to come), they probably don't want anything to do with her either.

Once Charles is King, legally he is the guardian of Archie.

I can’t see how Meghan can appear for family weddings, funerals or gatherings after this. She is really burning her bridges. It won’t help her or Archie long term . She’s being very short sighted.

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Once Charles is King, legally he is the guardian of Archie.

Yes that's true, read somewhere that the Queen technically has custody of Archie right now. However I would be really surprised if they attempted to pursue that in current times. It would actually play right into MM's hands by turning her into the brave victim of British RF fighting for her own child, and the RF probably want to avoid that at all costs.

@User214934514

Once Charles is King, legally he is the guardian of Archie.

Yes that's true, read somewhere that the Queen technically has custody of Archie right now. However I would be really surprised if they attempted to pursue that in current times. It would actually play right into MM's hands by turning her into the brave victim of British RF fighting for her own child, and the RF probably want to avoid that at all costs.

I’m not sure if the queen is the current guardian as I thought the law is for the children and grandchildren rather just all defendants. Presumably more because it was made in a time that living whilst ruling to see great grandchildren was out of the question.

I would imagine they could easily play it the other way though with Charles saying he is the guardian but of course he wouldn’t want Meghan to miss out on her 50% or time with Archie. That effectively ensures a minimum of an even split for Harry whilst making out that the RF are being reasonable. Meghan has cut out all of her family apart from her mother so maybe she won’t want to totally sever ties from Harry’s family and her own son or maybe she will continue the trend.

Despite my views on Harry and Meghan, I do hope their marriage is a happy one and lasts.

I read the Times article that noted the Palace Press team were unable to dispute the news stories about MM being horrible to her staff because they couldn't deny reporting that was true! That did make me laugh!

A very important lesson I learned years ago from my first boss, was that how you treat those below you who have less power shows your character. I think it speaks volumes about MM.

@KatherineParr4

I can’t see how Meghan can appear for family weddings, funerals or gatherings after this. She is really burning her bridges. It won’t help her or Archie long term . She’s being very short sighted.

I thought that when they disappeared in January - how would she ever have the guts to show her face at RF gatherings and functions again, after the way they'd behaved.

And yet there she was in March, dressed up to the nines, face professionally applied by her NY make-up artist, smiling at everyone like there was nothing wrong in her world. She really has got some nerve.

A very important lesson I learned years ago from my first boss, was that how you treat those below you who have less power shows your character. I think it speaks volumes about MM.

It's the old saying - 'treat people well on the way up, you may need them on the way down'!

Or another one that a dear friend of ours always said, 'it's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice'.

And yet there she was in March, dressed up to the nines, face professionally applied by her NY make-up artist, smiling at everyone like there was nothing wrong in her world. She really has got some nerve.

The Commonwealth service was the most striking - William, Harry and Catherine all looked ashen, while Meghan was grinning and gurning like a Cheshire cat. I'm sure she's one of those people who thinks anyone who doesn't like them is 'jealous'

Not sure about anyone else but I always thought H accepted his role as “ spare “ and I thought he would be a marvellous support to W and C . So many fabulous photos of the 3 of them together pre MM. By all accounts he was a doting uncle .
I think the real problems in the relationship started when MM realised she would not have the same status as C.
There is an argument that H should have prepared M better but would she have listened ?

@Oldbutstillgotit

Not sure about anyone else but I always thought H accepted his role as “ spare “ and I thought he would be a marvellous support to W and C . So many fabulous photos of the 3 of them together pre MM. By all accounts he was a doting uncle . I think the real problems in the relationship started when MM realised she would not have the same status as C. There is an argument that H should have prepared M better but would she have listened ?

I agree with you on all of these points. So sad.

Scares me for when/if my DC meet their other halves - I so hope their choices won't damage the closeness of our family, although I realise it will change the dynamic!

I'm the midst of lockdown I became quite obsessed with the H&M saga.

I don't think they'll be officially stripped of their HRH it sets a precedent and there's no way The Queen can remove theirs for being a**holes and not remove Andrews when he's a complete scumbag.

I think H loves her very much but they're just one of those couples that bring the worst out in each other. M has yet to reliase there would have been ££££ no matter who H married - as a pp said the public are interested in a royal wedding no matter who it is.

Thanks ovienna - very interesting.

George I did not like George II so he took custody over George III and wouldn’t let his (George III) parents see him.

I don’t think Charles would do that though.

I also agree that Harry is as much at fault here. He has lost all credibility and I don’t care to hear what he has to say. At least he is harmless, poor guy, but that sadly makes him the butt of jokes.

@Cartesiandebt

thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/palace-press-team-couldnt-defend-meghan-against-true-stories-vr7ptvf7n

Meghan says she felt 'unprotected' by the palace, but the palace couldn't respond to damaging stories - because they were true.

One case that had angered the Duchess involved the resignation of her PA Melissa Toubati, who quit in 2018 amid rumours she had been reduced to tears by Meghan's demands.

The Kensington Palace press team had difficulty in denying the stories, because they were true.

'The stories were a drop in the ocean compared to what was going on,' another source said.

Does anyone have a share token? I'd like to read the article.

I also think that as a bachelor he was under the protection of the royal family's PR machine, and now we are seeing the real person, which is hard to unsee

Absolutely - but then, as with Andrew, we probably wouldn't like what we saw about many of them if they were shorn of the clever PR staff

“Her side” of the story in her own words is more damning than any previous negative press. It shows her to be greedy, manipulative, vindictive, completely self centred and thoroughly unpleasant

Again I don't doubt it, but there were plenty of indicators of all these things before she ever met Harry and yet still he married her
Meghan is what she is, but as said I'm not convinced all the appalling judgement is hers

For anyone who wants to read the actual court filings, I found them HERE. You need to scroll down to the bottom of the page.

I lost three hours to reading them, in my opinion they are fascinating and will be studied for years to come.

Also just my opinion, but I think the AP legal team are doing a much better job. I would think they are very, very expensive. It will be interesting to see who pays the legal costs if MM were to lose her case.

The sad thing is, I think Harry wanted a quiet, gentle life. He wanted children, security and love. He wanted a wife who would get on with his family and fit into the Royal role without too much drama. I don't think for a moment he wanted high drama, court cases, fallings out with all and sundry and a move to a foreign country to live in borrowed houses. Neither do I think he wanted a life on the speaking circuit, regurgitating past history and examining old wounds.

It is further admitted that a brief public statement was issued by Kensington Palace on the Claimant’s behalf shortly before the wedding. However, this statement, referring to her father’s non-attendance at the wedding, was solely a response to her father’s public announcement through TMZ, an American tabloid website, first that he was having a heart attack and then surgery, and the frenzied reporting of this which followed in the British media (including the Defendant’s titles). Further, it was deliberately intended to limit and control the amount of press intrusion or speculation, particularly in relation to her father’s health or other private matters.

This was in one of the claimants response documents, so this is coming from MM. So the palace have issued statements on behalf of MM then?

I thought the same. She wouldn't show her face or slink in the background after January. But no there she was more glitzy and showy than she ever was. In that umbrella photo which even I not a fan thought was absolutely amazing. I wonder what the odds are of her bring present at Charles's coronation.