Harry and Meghan court dramas (not Suits)

[ARoseInHarlem]

Starting this thread while I digest the last few posts on the previous thread. I think the H&M saga could be as unsettling for the RF as the Charles & Diana bad publicity in the 1990s, if not worse.

Family members doing what?

@Roseburn

So both Giles Coren and Meghan/Harry were part of the Soho house set? But Rose was in the Turnip Toffs with Will and Kate. is that it?

Yes, that's right. And Rose and her husband were both with Kate and William for Kate's birthday this year (they were photographed attending church together along with other friends of the couple at Sandringham on the Sunday morning) so it seems there no bad blood there, for any reason.

@Serenster

Family members doing what?

Don't wish to quote a deleted post, but it was about the judge's impartially with MoS and his wife.

@thisisenglishlife - Dan Wootton recently said he had been fed spurious info about other royals - the implication was clearly that someone from H&M's camp had spread the William rumour affair.

I have sympathy for MM not wanting her father to do a speech at her wedding. He hasn't exactly covered himself in glory in all of this. Everyone loves Doria and she does seem delightful but that's because she never says a word. She exemplifies the never explain never complain RF methodology

Serenster*

Does that not somewhat infer then that Giles was getting his inside info not from the Turnip Toffs , but rather from the Soho House set. Hmm that's interesting.

impartiality

Kate played a blinder having Rose at the Sandringham church walk that is for sure!

I can't decide whether to be amused or impressed at the blind devotion towards H&M by some posters - the young couple who can do no wrong and it's everybody else who is wrong

And you are so wrong with your analysis. Believe it or not, I am neither here nor there with MM, no blind devotion whatsoever, but having seen for over a year the probably 160 threads maligning her, and him, on and on, ridiculous assertions, armchair diagnoses, criticising them on the times they have really done nothing wrong, I prefer to look at the more positive side about them as a couple.

Some of the stuff that people have posted (I am not directing this at you) is appalling. I have reported posts that no female should say about another, and no one deserves such vitriol AFAIC. And I don't think there should be a corner of hate on MN for another female, it's never been allowed on MN before. Threads on Victoria Beckham and Katie Price get zapped after a page or so, yet these go on and on.

That is why I come on here.

When I married my dh, in his country, my ILs asked if there was British tradition I'd like to include. I asked for a top table and my df to make a speech. My df is very good at making speeches and would write speeches for other people. They told me no, that wouldn't work. I felt so bad for my df as I felt his role as FOTB was quite small in our wedding. That's why I can't understand MM.
(Incidentally, three months after our wedding, ILs attended another wedding where the bride was also British. There was a top table and speeches and they thought it was great. )

Rousette I agree that it's perfectly reasonable that Covid has restricted what they can do to earn money. But we weren't in this instance talking about the rights and wrongs of them earning. You had said 'how do we know they're living off hand outs?' And as I said, the answer is: they must be, as they have not yet earned anything. I agree that that's not entirely their fault. It is however the current state of affairs.

Considering that Giles Coren deleted the tweet and said that lawyers had been in touch, where are you getting your information/screenshots from?

Rousette I don't think that poster can have meant you in the 'blind devotion' reference. I think that description better fits posters who seem to think any negative decision or opinion about the Sussexes must be rooted in a corrupt system or individual.. you're very positive but there is a difference.

Oh, that screenshot will have been saved and re circulated by loads of people. Once something's been on social media, it's never really gone.

MM has been accused of perjury plenty of times. (that she lied about her not telling her friends). Lots of defamation on her character as well.
Looks like only negative opinions on MM are allowed to remain on this thread.

Buttery someone has to be positive! And I've volunteered for that

That's not true @mummy195. Personally I am somewhat suspicious of the posters who think MM is the devil incarnate but also of those who think she is the Madonna. I think a lot of us are in the middle ground really.

There are definitely some very zealous people on these threads

@Roussette you are positive but not ahem blinkered in your views. I find your posts an interesting counter balance.

Anyway, I suspect in a few years we will look back and re-evaluate things very differently one way or another. And who at this point can say which way it is going to go?

You said it yourself, MissEliza - your dad was a pretty good public speaker. From what we've seen it appears Thomas Markle struggles a little, and for that reason if no other I'm not convinced he was ever wanted at the wedding

As to the judge, I'm afraid that sounds like getting excuses in first for if the case fails, as in "what did anyone expect when he was thick as thieves with such-and-such?" There's no doubt that MM has had some very unfair treatment, but it doesn't follow that every last thing that doesn't go her way is because of unfairness, bias or even racism

@Blossom513

I missed Mummy's comment before deletion but I can get the gist from the responses.

I can't decide whether to be amused or impressed at the blind devotion towards H&M by some posters - the young couple who can do no wrong and it's everybody else who is wrong. The posters on here, the RF, the press, now the judge. All in the wrong and mean as well.

Actually it reminds me of when I was 13 and people dared say anything even remotely negative about my favourite boyband. I just wasn't having any of it.

If that band was NKOTB then it’d clearly be because there wasn’t anything negative that was true about them!

Screenshots of Giles' tweets are still around

@mrscampbellblackagain Can you provide a link to the implication?

@mrscampbellblackagain
Appreciate that.
To be honest, I'm always looking for a middle ground between us. My god, they are not perfect, they've behaved like a couple of twats at times but there's something - to me - that is ummmm endearing in a bit of a carcrash way to me. Against all odds, please let them be happy. talking sorry.
Yes, it might end in disaster
Yes, it has damaged the RF
But I really want it to work because I think the RF needs a huge shake up, and I just would like Harry to be happy.
I'm a simple creature

This is what Dan Wootton said in his rebuttal to the Sussexes letter saying they wouldn't engage with the tabloids any more:

What I won’t do is offer myself up to the constant spin, fact-twisting and putdowns of their family members I’ve had to put up with from Harry and Meghan’s long-suffering staff for the past two years.

I read commentary at the time, can't remember where which suggested he was referring to the affair rumours. May have been on here but I can't remember to be honest.

I found the quote on his twitter account.