Harry and Meghan court dramas (not Suits)

[ARoseInHarlem]

Starting this thread while I digest the last few posts on the previous thread. I think the H&M saga could be as unsettling for the RF as the Charles & Diana bad publicity in the 1990s, if not worse.

There is no basis at all the the tittle tattle about Meghan being caught taking photos, yet posters keep repeating it as if it was established fact. Same for the nonsense about tiaras. It is just making up stories to have a go at her, because she hasn't actually done anything to justify the strange loathing that many posters seem to feel for her. Maybe reflect on why you feel such antipathy towards a woman you've never met that you have to cling to unsubstantiated gossip to justify it?

@TheNavigator

There is no basis at all the the tittle tattle about Meghan being caught taking photos, yet posters keep repeating it as if it was established fact. Same for the nonsense about tiaras. It is just making up stories to have a go at her, because she hasn't actually done anything to justify the strange loathing that many posters seem to feel for her. Maybe reflect on why you feel such antipathy towards a woman you've never met that you have to cling to unsubstantiated gossip to justify it?

Who knows whether there is any basis or not? I don't, you don't. It has been reported, but many things are reported that are ultimately proven to be true. Remember the threads where some posters were saying they could see them disappearing off to the States, and others were saying there was no evidence that was there intention.

I don't actually need to reflect on my antipathy towards Meghan - I didn't like the way Meghan presented herself from the very early days, although I hoped she would prove me wrong, and would have been very happy for her to do so. She hasn't. Shame, because she could have been a wonderful addition to the Royal Family.

I accept that others have a different view, but I don't feel the need to be snarky to them (yourself included), I just respect that we all have different life experience, and different views. Which is allowed!

Navigator how do you know the story about the tiaras isn't true? Just curious.

*their

It's been published numerous times and not just in outlets like the Fail.

Cross posts with AJ. The fact is, it is equally possible these stories are all true. The posters who say they aren't have no basis to claim a moral high ground.

And I agree completely - you don't have to read ANY of the newspaper articles people are referring to here to have legitimate discomfort with this couple. Their own website, the way they managed their 'exit' through Instagram, the legal papers pertaining to the case against the Mail which are freely available to read, is enough to form that judgement.

The press is ferocious. It forgives nothing.... I believe that abroad it is different.

Yeah, that worked out well.

I agree with a pp that she wanted secrecy.

@Sittingontheveranda

6.3m watched the Queen's speech on Christmas day last year.

11.5m UK viewers for Harry and Meghan. 28m Americans.
14.8m UK viewers for Edward and Sophie.
17.6m UK viewers for William and Kate.
28m UK viewers for Charles and Diana. 22.8m Americans.
21.1m Spanish viewers for Felipe and Letizia.
24 million people watched Ken Barlow marry Deirdre.

People will watch televised weddings. In particular, some countries will specifically air royal weddings and of course generate masses of viewers. People love watching weddings esp when the sky is the limit in terms of budget. The pomp and ceremony are circus like and some are fascinated. And others, like me, watch only to see the clothes and the wedding attire.

But the point is millions upon millions watched worldwide, no celebrity could dream of doing that if their wedding was televised, royalty is a completely different kettle of fish to celebrity which is why so many people are unhappy with Meghan and Harry.

If Ken and Deirdre’s wedding was televised in America I don’t think somehow 60 million would have tuned in......

Actually The Express reported the tiara issue. You find it curious that people on here are 'clinging to unsubstantiated gossip', I find it curious that also not knowing her, you defend her/them against everything?

The details coming out of Ghislaine Maxwell's extensive list of contacts, "Epstein's little black book" which she maintained...so many people rushing to distance themselves.

Being beholden to a billionaire is invariably toxic. There are no free lunches.

H&M's freeloading, not to mention their hopes of financial "independence" will come at a price. They are fools. The future is murky.

Ghislaine Maxwell: Prince Andrew’s friend visited Palace last year

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ghislaine-maxwell-prince-andrews-friend-visited-palace-last-year-6wgkgcn9j

I don't think viewing figures from the 80s can be compared to present day figures. There were only four channels available then and no internet streaming. People were pretty limited to what they could watch on tv.

Absolutely Blossom there is no comparison and even though there were 4 channels at most, not everyone could get channel 4 when in first launched and on BBC 2 it was often the test card until the evening, god I feel old.

Did Diana make that statement in a press interview, in a TV interview she organised or in a photo shoot she arranged?
The media can be awful and intrusive but Diana manipulated and used them to her advantage too. If she hadn't there wouldn't have been the Bashir interview, the Morton book, Squidygate, etc, etc.
I think Meghan felt an affinity with Diana but didn't appreciate the nuances of Diana's approach. She didn't realise Diana used the media. Meghan didn't realise that Diana didn't criticise the Queen or the RF. Diana didn't do anything to jeopardise the fact her son would inherit the throne and his brother would have lots of influence alongside him. Meghan completely embraced the victimised and misunderstood storyline without realising what mattered to Diana or without sharing her priorities and shrewdness.
I think both H&M have misjudged how the RF will respond to the court case. It's like a game of chicken. They seem to be hoping the RF will blink first to lessen the negative publicity but the RF know not to negotiate with blackmailers/terrorists/disgruntled relatives who've already shown they will wash their dirty linen in public.

I find it curious that also not knowing her, you defend her/them against everything?

Yes I'm curious too. I would actually like to hear from those that always defend her, what their view is on the things she has claimed in her latest court submission. I don't think I've read any alternative views on this. I would actually like to see some constructive debate rather than repeatedly seeing posters being shut down for any bit of criticism made, even when it's linked to discussing an article in the press.

Interesting article in the US media today about MM's spending habits raising concerns. The US media are being fairly critical now it seems also.

The article is behind a paywall but I can copy it onto a post if anyone's interested - it's fairly lenthy though.

www.thedailybeast.com/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-spent-millions-very-publicly-the-royal-family-disapproved?ref=home

Problem is they all just want positive press and that is never going to happen especially when they are funded by tax payers.

And Diana used the press a lot. But I have a lot of sympathy for her as she was so incredibly young when she was married into the RF.

As to Andrew, well he just needs to disappear really after he has spoken to the US authorities.

I think the court action against the MOS is going to be a big mistake, dragging Eugenie and Beatrice into it - well they sure know how to win friends

I think it's a little different having Meghan, married to the Queen's grandson 'milling about the palace on her own' and Kevin Spacey and Ghislaine Maxwell (a procurer of young girls for a paedophile)*

Presumably she was let in by “her good friend” Andrew.

Yes please Rainbunny. Given they went to
Canada/USA to escape the press I am interested to know what kind of coverage they get from the US press now they are living there. There has been a lot of assertion that the British press is lowest of the low and nothing comparable in the USA. I'm not convinced.

Pls R'Bunny. x