A positive thread on Harry and Meghan (aka Thread 5)

[Mummy195]

A continuation for those who would like to look at the positive side of Harry and Meghan.

Well, back to the positive coverage.

Glad to hear a few of MM old acquaintances saying positive things about them this week.

There was of course the zoom message to the mental health related Crisis Text Line. So quite nice to carry on with the mental health issues they have been championing.

A few ppl have come out about how nice MM is in real life from named sources this time. Some saying it had been hard for them to say nothing when they heard all these negative reports about her while she was royal, but they are happy to share now. A beautician, ppl from school etc.

Also, the young woman she was having her zoom with, encouraging her for her interview, from Smartworks is reported to have got the job.

Well someone brought up Michelle O and I added my two pence yes. For me personally the comparison was with how these two women were vilified by the media and some corners of the Internet. ( Both received some awful and unjustified criticism some of it racist) . Michelle is American so obviously have followed her from afar since 2008. Meghan is American too she married a Brit royal and moved here. She was one of the few high profile figures in the U.K. that some of us POC followed with interest.To me she worked hard, always smiling despite any negative headlines and I found that admirable.

I don’t agree everything with everything Meghan has done, and I really wish they had handled the exist differently. Meghan must have known from the relentless negative headlines when she was pregnant that the exit announcement was going to be brutal somewhat. But I give her a benefit of doubt that maybe just maybe she just couldn’t cope anymore and wanted to go home. I can’t agree that the way they have handled the exit somehow warrants the constant criticism on her as a person, as a mother and as a wife. To me sometimes the criticism of their deeds seems so disproportionate and leaves one wondering what this woman really has done to deserve so much scorn.

@Mummy195 that’s really amazing. It’s always great to hear people who have know Meghan or have worked with her in various charities say good things about her. I loved the Jennifer Garner’s insta message. She received negative comments for supporting Meghan’s contribution to save the children nonetheless.

The contrast appears to be between Michelle saying "they go low, we go high"

Infact a lot of ppl interpreted this as MO saying (perhaps could be applied in regards to MM if one wants), they will put you down all they want - going low - , you just hold your head high and carry on with your charities and show them humility instead. I cannot remember the speech exactly, but I never assumed she was talking about MM, I thought she was talking about poc who are being slammed while in positions of influence, I could be mistaken.

I remember this being quoted quite a lot by Sussex supporters when they rallied for ppl to make donations to charities. The media and critics (haters) can just carry on, supporters must just carry on with charity work instead . That was the view. At some point later, the haters tried to twist it.

I posted about Michelle Obama because I had watched her discussing the impact of hugely negative, racist press coverage when she first came into the public eye.

And her comments made me wonder on the impact on Meghan Markle.

I can’t agree that the way they have handled the exit somehow warrants the constant criticism on her as a person, as a mother and as a wife.

This I agree with. I think there is a tendency now to jump on every little thing. I don't think they are blameless - far from it. But I do get fed up with some of the criticisms. I think they are devoted parents and Archie is clearly bright as a button and gets a lot of attention. I'm not worried that he had his first speaking part wearing a soggy nappy.

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I do not think there is anything wrong with bringing MO up at all. You clearly stated the comparisons regarding the press coverage, you could say the same with Oprah, Beyonce or Selena etc. No point trying to pretend they have been treated differently. A whole lot of long history there, that we probably won't get into right now.

My problem is that we are constantly being fed some BS about how they were wrong about their exit. Not telling HMQE - that was what was said first, before it changed to she was told, but not given enough time. BP never said any such thing, except say how supportive she was. Also, remember the £20m security bill that stayed like that for months on end, till it went down to £8, then £4, then £2m. BS story after BS story. Every speculative story has several sides to it.

I never saw any soggy nappy since he was wearing a onesie.

As I said, could it possibly be a bamboo nappy? Why no one is acknowledging that possibility. I am, because that is my experience.

"They go low, we go high" was a reference to the Trump campaign.

I'm not worried that he had his first speaking part wearing a soggy nappy

Did he? I never noticed that at all. I was too busy enjoying the interaction between MM and him, his wriggling and the book

Now that they are paying for Frogmore Cottage, hopefully that is one thing off the list to keep bringing up. I would love to look round that place, I bet it's beautiful. MM goes for danish style muted furnishings.

I wish I had a flair for this sort of thing, I really don't

I think MM's style is more Boho rustic Roussette. They hired Vicky Charles to do the interior of Frog Cott, she was responsible for the Soho Farmhouse look. It will be very cosy and masses of flowers everywhere.

Lovely! I just read this (and had to look up what Hygge was!)

"Markle is all about Danish-style hygge — a quality of cosiness, conviviality and wellbeing — using cool, monochrome colours layered with sumptuous throws and feather-filled comfy cushions"

@Mummy195 "Previous flotus never got as much hate as MO."

Just curious: how much research have you actually done into previous first ladies?

I never saw any soggy nappy since he was wearing a onesie.

Wrong. He was wearing a t shirt and a diaper.

Just curious: how much research have you actually done into previous first ladies?

Obviously not very much. Hillary Clinton as far more vilified than Michelle Obama.

I'm not suggesting Mrs. Obama did not face unfair criticism, much of it racially motivated, but Hillary was accused of murdering Vincent Foster and dumping his body in a park. Conservative pundits also wrote, and said on talk radio, that Vince Foster was Hillary's lover. She was accused of being a lesbian. She worked as a partner in a law firm in Little Rock, leaving Bill to philander. She didn't work enough. She made $100,000 in a commodity trade, therefore, she's dishonest. She lost $100,000 in a commodity trade, therefore, she's dishonest. She was involved in the plane crash that killed JFK Jr. And so on.

@Winterlife I am not American, so my knowledge of US history is pretty rudimentary, and am probably completely wrong, so I apologise in advance, but just general reading seemed to suggest that Eleanor Roosevelt, who to me seemed extraordinarily admirable, was vilified for several things.

Mary Todd Lincoln seemed to have had a terrible time of it, and, yes, I do know she was a troubled women. But the treatment after Lincoln's shooting...just, no. And this must have been thought to be acceptable as the result of disdainful treatment earlier.

Even Lady Bird Johnson who sounds like an incredibly accomplished women, indeed, amazingly so for the times, seemed to be mocked in the media - or at least that was the impression I gained as a very young girl reading the newspaper and magazines. Satirical magazines could not leave her alone.

I suppose I could continue but I am speaking from a ground of little formal knowledge in the area. However, I have piqued my own interest and will have to go and have a look at my local library's catalogue for something on the topic.

Wrong. He was wearing a t shirt and a diaper
Does it matter? It was a lovely video.

Although those that dislike MM elsewhere have managed to pick it to pieces forwards, backwards, everywhere. How on earth it is something to criticise god alone knows. A mum with a lovely little son reading a book for charity. I think those that find every little thing wrong with it, really need to wonder what their motives are.

Michelle Obama's crtiicism was vicious, racially motivated, disgusting and prominent. I'm on Twitter and it was beyond awful. Hillary got it in the neck too. Personally, I couldn't compare because I didn't follow what went on in the US so much then.

@Roussette For a valid comparison, go back before the 1990s.

I am now thinking the video needed a few takes - I bet he was wearing shorts / trousers to start and he got hot and tetchy - they thought let’s just take them off. He might not have been comfy in them .
In his nappy he calmed down so they quickly did it .

I think the difference with Michelle Obama was the racist element. Hilary Clinton was demonised as well, especially during the health care debacle.

Tezza I am not comparing anyone with anyone, any vitriol that some receive is bad. Interesting on the previous first ladies though

Does it matter? It was a lovely video.

It only matters to the extent someone disputed that fact Archie was in a diaper. Because, contrary to the assertion, he was.

I couldn't compare because I didn't follow what went on in the US so much then.

I can compare, although I am not on twitter, because it's such a cesspool. I do read various newspapers, though. Hillary Clinton had far more vicious attacks on her personality, her works, and her motives, than did Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama was attacked more for her looks (although Hillary faced that as well, mostly in her second term, including by an elected congressman), and most of the attacks on Michelle Obama were racist.

^mostly in Bill's second term.

it proves how low people will go.
who cares if he was in a nappy?
how does anyone know it was soggy?
made up bs imo.

2 years today

It only matters to the extent someone disputed that fact Archie was in a diaper. Because, contrary to the assertion, he was
Talk about nitpicking!
Someone thought he had an all in one on so obviously couldn't see his nappy but they didn't say he wasn't wearing a one!

In the name of all that is holy, it does not matter!
Or maybe it does matter to you