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A positive thread on Harry and Meghan (aka Thread 5)

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Mummy195 · 10/05/2020 13:04

A continuation for those who would like to look at the positive side of Harry and Meghan.

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SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 17/05/2020 15:55

There is really nothing similar about them apart from being women of colour, being American and attending university

Being women of colour, being American and attending university, which is not insignificant - and being vilified by the press.

I mentioned her because of her comment about the impact of hostile press on her personally - for being an educated, American woman of colour.

derxa · 17/05/2020 16:04

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Obama
This wiki page is worth a read. Michelle Obama has dealt with everything including criticism with style and grace.

Samcro · 17/05/2020 16:20

So they pay all that money for a house that belongs to the queen.
That is shocking. Why didn't the queen pay?

chrisseldah1 · 17/05/2020 16:21

Well Meghan And Michelle are a woman of colour yes. I brought her up because MIMeghan being in a high profile role ( being married to Harry) has received some of the vile criticism M O received especially when she was in the White House.

I don’t know any black or biracial woman in the U.K. except Dianne Abbott who has received the same level of racism, mocking and criticism as Meghan.

Michelle Obama wasn’t always adored especially on some corners of the media and even online. I remember those years ago certain popular forums used to have threads tearing her apart.

derxa · 17/05/2020 16:34

Michelle and Diane don't sanction their friends to write hagiography about them. Not that I know of anyway. I like Diane Abbott. Despite the horrific abuse (which is completely unacceptable of course) she has soldiered on as a public servant for decades.

chrisseldah1 · 17/05/2020 16:43

It’s admirable that Michelle dealt with everything thrown at her with style and grace. It’s also admirable that Dianne Abbot has dealt with it all. But there it’s still okay for Meghan to have felt that she just couldn’t take it anymore and chose to leave. People are different. If I were her I would have bolted way back and I admire how she managed it all.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 17/05/2020 16:44

So they pay all that money for a house that belongs to the queen.That is shocking. Why didn't the queen pay?

It doesn't belong to the Queen. It belongs to the Crown Estate.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 17/05/2020 16:47

MM may be an "educated" American woman of colour, but she is not disliked and criticised because of any of those things. So the comparison with Michele Obama is spurious.

derxa · 17/05/2020 16:54

But there it’s still okay for Meghan to have felt that she just couldn’t take it anymore and chose to leave. That's fine but that doesn't entitle her to live off the British taxpayer. Diane Abbott receives a salary and eventually a pension which will be peanuts compared to the money Meghan and Harry seem to be demanding. That's what's distasteful for me.

Mummy195 · 17/05/2020 17:05

MM may be an "educated" American woman of colour, but she is not disliked and criticised because of any of those things. So the comparison with Michele Obama is spurious.

What are you implying here exactly? That MO was disliked because of those things, but not MM? It's not clear what you are trying to say.

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Mummy195 · 17/05/2020 17:17

MM is not living off the British taxpayer, so this is a moot point.

MO fell in love with a man who wanted the presidency. She knew from the get go that no matter how tough things get, she will be out of the situation in 4yrs, or 8yrs at most.

MM fell in love with a man who was born in his situation. It was either wait for the next bride (in about 20yrs or so) or be made some kind of villain for life. While some brides (seriously, I don't remember Sophie getting this much flack) have been criticised , and this was mostly from after their affairs etc., it has also been spread out over years where they were given time to have their babies in peace etc. With MM, not only did they go out of their way to make up stories, but they concentrated the whole thing in a short period of time.

DA chose to go into politics just for herself.

None of the treatment of these women is acceptable.

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derxa · 17/05/2020 17:20

MM is not living off the British taxpayer, so this is a moot point. If you say so.

Samcro · 17/05/2020 17:25

I got confused by who owns frodmore, got it now.

I don't get why mm and mo are being talked about as if they should be compared, apart from one thing thay are totally different.

I do think mm has had it worse than othe royal women. Maybe it's because we now have sm, but its relentless.
I have been shocked by mn for instance a parenting website, allowing countless threads full of some of the nastiest stuff i have seen written about a person.
Thats just one place, if that is replicated elsewhere, it's nothing less than ahate campaign.
You don't have to be a fan or even like them to see how bad it is.

Mummy195 · 17/05/2020 17:29

They say so. BP said so.

If you are still doubting it, I suggest you write to the palace and ask, after all as a taxpayer it's your right to know if otherwise. And while you are at it, maybe you can ask for further disclosure on all the royals, after all, why would you single out H&M as not believing them, while believing everything about everyone else.

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derxa · 17/05/2020 17:30

Before meeting Obama, Michelle had told her mother she intended to focus solely on her career. The couple's first date was to Spike Lee's movie Do the Right Thing (1989) They married on October 3, 1992.
Obama campaigned for her husband's presidential bid throughout 2007 and 2008
Therefore between marrying Barack and campaigning for him, 15 years had elapsed.

Myimaginarycathasfleas · 17/05/2020 17:30

What are you implying here exactly? That MO was disliked because of those things, but not MM? It's not clear what you are trying to say.

I'm not implying anything, and I think what I said was clear.

You mentioned MO, that she was educated, American and a woman of colour, and that she received unwarranted criticism. If you don't think those are the reasons she received such abuse, why did you state them?

I'm saying that those are not the reasons that MM is disliked, so the comparison is irrelevant. She happens to be American and a woman of colour, but there the comparison ends. She is unpopular for entirely different reasons.

Cerseirys · 17/05/2020 17:35

Why the quotation marks around "educated"? Didn't MM go to a fairly good university? Not the local poly!

wufti · 17/05/2020 17:37

Surely the easiest solution would be for MM and Harry to relinguish their titles - Duke & Duchess of Sussex - and Harry (and therefore Archie) to step out of succession. Give it all up for love!! This would drastically reduce any security threats against then and they can be "normal" people in Lalaland

Then they are not a burden on the tax payer and they can get on with their lives as they see fit.

Mummy195 · 17/05/2020 17:42

I never said any of those things, though I fully agree with them. THOSE are exactly the reasons she was criticised so much. Previous flotus never got as much hate as MO.

I am not even going into this old argument of ppl denying that MM race has nothing to do with all this unjustified criticism. It just never goes anywhere.

Interestingly, the UK Gov has a section that simplifies things on what is hate crime (race, religion, sexual orientation etc.). Its something along the lines, You have the exact same situation, but one of the other ppl gets treated differently from someone else who is in the same situation.

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Mummy195 · 17/05/2020 17:48

Cum Laude from Princeton University.

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Mummy195 · 17/05/2020 17:50

How about first, Princes Beatrice, Eugenie, Michael of Kent, and everyone else first step down and give up titles etc. Then H&M will also do the same.

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mrscampbellblackagain · 17/05/2020 17:51

Michelle Obama is very inspirational, her mantra of when they go low we go high would be something a lot of celebs should listen too.

I have always thought the main problem H&M are going to have going forward is how to make enough £££ to fund their lifestyle whilst being philanthropists. They are wealthy of course but they are not billionaires. Nor do they have the intellectual clout of the Obamas or Gates so it is not going to be easy for them in that way.

They are going to have to tread a very difficult path and will be interesting to see how they manage it.

I guess my view on the Frogmore costs are anything above necessary wiring/plumbing etc should be funded by them. So if they wanted F&B paint rather than dulux then they pay the difference.

If the report is true though I am interested in why they don't just pay the £2m or whatever the amount is off in one go rather than in instalments. I suspect it is because it is because like most people their assets aren't that liquid. I have also read, possibly on here so maybe not true that Harry's wealth is very tied up.

Anyway, I suspect it will be Charles who pays for it and by some incredibly convoluted way that means it will fall on the tax payer. And that is not an attack on H&M, I think the whole funding of the RF is very dodgy and smoke and mirrors. I suspect the tax payers fund an awful lot more than we realise.

derxa · 17/05/2020 17:53

Mummy You're incorrigible Grin I don't really dislike Meghan at all.
She's providing a bit of entertainment during the pandemic. Her antics are hilarious. Long may she reign!

catinb0oots · 17/05/2020 18:03

I think you'll find MM and H turned down PC and HMQ's offer of time and peace with their baby

Mummy195 · 17/05/2020 18:08

As I said, you would sound more credible if you said the same to the negative ppl.
You sound incorrigible yourself .

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