Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 4

[Mummy195]

Hope you don't mind Dave.

Im still a little confused. I always thought that a born royal and a non one would have a different title,
So the queen is hm the queen and kate would jut be the queen.
No idea where i get these ideas from.
Ig will becomes POW will he have an ...cannot think of the word, in wales? In.....something

I don't think "Dowager" ever featured in any titles for a Queen. After her husband's death she merely became HM Queen HerName. It's duchesses who became Dowager Duchesses.

Oh, maybe you’re right. It might just be my reaction to all that historic sexism tainting my view.

Although, according to this Queen Dowager is a concept (I’m just not clear whether it’s always a title as opposed to a designation in England/Wales). Queen dowagers and Queen mothers are overlapping groups.

I’m cooking with one hand ATM, though, so can’t quite google enough to get it all straight.

That's to @samcro btw

Oops left out the link. According to THiS Queen Dowager is a concept etc:-

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_dowager

Ffs report if you feel its a rule break.

I have heard of dowager houses, normally a lodge or small house on the estate that the widow is packed off too.

@Samcro

Lovely. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Funny your response is immediately aggressive. Reminds me a teeny bit of a former(?) BBC DJ's response when something he claims was unintended was pointed out to him.

I shall leave this thread now. There seems to be a lot of double standards. And before you accuse me of defending everyone but Harry and Meghan, I wrote a post here defending Harry earlier and all of you ignored it.

Queen dowagers and Queen mothers are overlapping groups.

They are alternate names for the same thing.

It is very rare that the previous queen (consort, obvs) when widowed, has her husband succeeded by her daughter who had the same name as her. But when the does happen, the widowed consort needs to adopt a different title to differentiate her from the Queen Regnant. When we had two Queen Elizabeth's alive at the same time, the widowed consort preferred the title Queen Mother (ie Queen who is mother of the (identically named) monarch) rather than Dowager Queen (though she could have adopted that version if she preferred).

When it was eg Queen Mary (the Dowager) and Queen Elizabeth (the consort) there was no need to specify the dowager as there was no possibility of confusion because the first names were different.

and kate would jut be the queen
Unlikely, all recent queen consorts have been styled HM, so I'm not sure why they would change things now.

Thanks at least i now get it.
Obs she would be Catherine not KAte🤓

Givenchy's designer on Meghan:

‘From the very beginning everything felt different from what I would have expected. She was modern, with a fresh approach, warm and welcoming, completely disarming and joyful in every way. We struck it off instantly and a friendship began. Fittings were always a special time to chat, just us, it was a time of getting to know each other’s history and there are many memorable moments. But above it all is a connection between two people that come from completely different paths in life.'

The women from the Hubb kitchen and Smartworks seemed to get on with her too.

Nobody's horrible ALL the time.

Samcro
I think that Investiture is the word you're looking for. Prince Charles became Prince of Wales in 1958 and his investiture was in 1969.
The title is not inheritable and Prince William will only become Prince Of Wales if Charles decides to confer the title on him.

National Threatre artistic director on Meghan:
"She is still very engaged, the conversations are regular and ongoing, there are ideas we are exploring. There has been no indication at all from her that her engagement with us would be anything other than business as usual—she has proven to be a very engaged patron, and we look forward to working with her."

He went on to explain that Meghan was interesting in meaningfully engaging with the Theatre—not just keeping up appearances. "She has star reach, she understands the nature of what we’re trying to do. She has been interested in the learning work, the work in communities, the work around the country," Norris said.
"It's a really in-depth engagement with the range of work we do."

Everyone who has actually worked with her has something nice to say about her (aside from faux anonymous 'sources' in the gutter press).

Some things to note:
Andrew Morton moved to LA and put ads in the newspapers there asking for negative Meghan stories/experiences. He got nothing.
Piers Morgan paid for ads in newspapers asking for negative stories/experiences. He said he got nothing.
Simon Rex was offered $70,000 by British newspapers to lie about having a sexual encounter or relationship with Meghan. He refused, as he hadn't even kissed her. The newspapers wrote about their 'date/s' and his early porn past anyway.

All of those examples show how she is when she has something to gain from the engagement. Of course she will be charming under those circumstances. She'd be a fool not to.

I would also not expect anyone in LA to break cover with negative stories, it would be career suicide.

What has she done then?

She apparently shouted at a Kate staff member (anonymous source and no proof).
There's never been any details of the circumstances. If she had yelled at a staffer for no good reason, they would have thrown in the particulars. What did she “yell” about? What were her words?

‘From the very beginning everything felt different from what I would have expected. She was modern, with a fresh approach, warm and welcoming, completely disarming and joyful in every way. We struck it off instantly and a friendship began. Fittings were always a special time to chat, just us, it was a time of getting to know each other’s history and there are many memorable moments. But above it all is a connection between two people that come from completely different paths in life.'

Nauseating, sychophantic drivel.

I put much more store in the positive opinion of the Grenfell kitchen project women than in a luvvie fashion designer chasing positive publicity & repeat business.

I put much more store in the positive opinion of the Grenfell kitchen project women than in a luvvie fashion designer chasing positive publicity & repeat business

Yup, this.

Andrew Morton moved to LA and put ads in the newspapers there asking for negative Meghan stories/experiences. He got nothing.

What makes you say that? I saw some fairly snide stuff from childhood friends of hers in a review of his book about her. Do you just mean he traced them via other avenues?

BTW, I’m not saying there is anything unusual about being able to find people telling both positive and negative views about any particular person. That would probably be the case for most of us if we suddenly became famous in adulthood.

LaMarschallin Iirc, the last princess of Wales was Alexandra, who became Edward VII's queen Mary of Teck?

Yes you’re right @Tezza. Mary and George V were Prince and Princess of Wales for nearly a decade after Edward and Alexandra.

I have heard of dowager houses, normally a lodge or small house on the estate that the widow is packed off too

Samcro it's a dower house , not a dowager house.

Mary and George V were Prince and Princess of Wales for nearly a decade after Edward and Alexandra.

Good point - I lazily used "iirc" (which I obviously didn't ) instead of checking.
The point still holds though that "the princess of Wales" doesn't just mean Diana as seems to be so often thought.