Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 4

[Mummy195]

Hope you don't mind Dave.

Quite littlebearpad.

It is interesting as the class stuff that Kate was subjected too well I imagine it was even more so for Meghan. Although Meghan may not have been so aware of it as Kate as not British. The subtle put downs of people who believe they are 'better' than others.

I'm not sure "doors to manual" wasn't completely invented by the Daily Mail. I'm familiar with the type William was friends with and they would've been far too good-mannered to say anything like that!

The subtle put downs of people who believe they are 'better' than others.

Absolutely.

She does sound very posh. But I imagine if you are moving in the circles she does you would want to sound like them

Or she is sounding more “like them” because moving in those circles means she’s unconsciously picked up their way of speaking.

But yes, she was at a “posh” boarding school!

They may not have said it to her face. I remember at university hearing people saying NQLUD and being perplexed until it was explained to me it meant Not Quite Like Us Darling.

Snobbery is still alive and well in the UK.

I think Kate's father came from money hence the family trust to pay for the education of the children.

But honestly who cares, since when does how much money your parents have matter? I have way more respect for people like Carole Middleton who create a successful business than those who just inherit wealth.

Same with Meghan, she has done very well financially even before she married Harry and kudos to her for that.

@mrscampbellblackagain did you go to university in Exeter or Durham?

Bristol

Doh I nearly said Bristol as well!

I was definitely NQOCD despite being fully conversant in the works of Jilly Cooper

Which reminds me apropos of getorfmoiland - anyone remember her? She knew everything about the sainted jilly.

I'm not sure "doors to manual" wasn't completely invented by the Daily Mail. I'm familiar with the type William was friends with and they would've been far too good-mannered to say anything like that! Daily Telegraph actually. They had a U/nonU feature every week which had 'doors to manual' meaning non U.

I do find it quite hilarious to think that the upper well mannered class couldn't be utter bitches

I remember Getorf!

And I love Jilly.

I remember Getorf

I loved Getorf too and her Jilly threads. That seems like such a long time ago. I was really sorry when she left. And Sratters too actually.

@Dandyish thats what i meant, you just put it better.

But I think the criticism of her voice being too posh is linked to how people used to comment on Carol being 'doors to manual' - a bit, know your place Kate.

I don’t know. I can’t get too worked about her voice, but I do remember the Guardian running a piece around the time of her wedding covering her coal miner ancestors, builder grandfather, Carole’s childhood of council house and state schools and so on. They - The Guardian- were celebrating that someone of working class heritage was joining the BRF.

Of course in reality, Kate is the product of a mixed-class marriage, and so has a varied bunch of antecedents, but I can see that some would be disappointed that her voice isn’t a bit less plummy on egalitarian grounds, as well as the others who are coming at Kate from the opposite (snobby) angle, IYSWIM.

The background leaves her open to being claimed by a lot of social groups and also to being derided by all the same groups, depending which way the wind is blowing.

I have been told that it was some of the Grey Men that called CM (who simply couldn’t be better behaved!) Doors to Manual. It may have been pinched from William’s friends but I am aware from someone I know who used to be in the Royal Household a few years ago, before K&W were engaged that that was what Carole got called by some staff. Specifically men, I might add.

As an aside, just because someone "talks posh" it doesnt mean they are completely devoid of empathy or indeed normal life experience.

Exactly the same as someone who "talks common" - I bloody hate the whole "ooh, she sounds la-di-da" let's take the piss out of her accent.

No one would do it to someone in the public eye who was not so well-spoken but delivering a reasonable message, so why is it ok to take the piss out of one type of accent but not the other?

Agreed Yolo. It’s silly. And Kate doesn’t need to impress anyone much. She’s going to be Queen - she can talk however she fancies! She’s been criticised for years and never complained once.

I don't think anyone on here is taking the piss out of her accent.

I brought it up with a comment saying she sounds more well spoken /posh than she did when we first heard her. She can speak how she likes and maybe she has to refine how she speaks, who knows.

She’s obviously quite shy and has taken her time to become more relaxed about speaking in public. People like that quite often do enunciate very precisely when nervous. We don’t get to hear her at home, chatting naturally.

yes arrietty I often have to speak in public, and there is definitely a different way of speaking, phrasing etc than if you were just chatting with friends.