Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 4

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Hope you don't mind Dave.

True, i do get what you mean.
Out of interest, if someone marries in and has a certain talent, would a firm like that use it or make them earn their place?

Both I think samcro.

No one likes a new broom, especially if they are actually 'junior'.

But it makes sense to play to people's talents, hence I think why people thought the Commonwealth and military gigs would suit HaM, plus the National Theatre for M.

I think they could have been brilliant, they just went off half-cock and should have stuck it out for longer.

I don't blame them for leaving. It would have got worse. Harry has lived his whole life being called the spare, having his people question who his dad is. I can't imagine he wanted that for his son. Add in the horrid abuse M has had. He really didn't have a choice.

Did Meghan break protocol though?
Her mistake was that she didn't know how bad some elements of the UK press can be. In her case, I'm not sure if the stories would have relented.

Minus Andrew, the spares have been fair game for the media - in exchange, the media seems to lay off the heirs. We can see teensy examples of this already with George and Charlotte.

As this is a positive thread about H&m im not going to slag them off.

I can only talk about the firm I worked in.

So basically I had an area that was of particular interest to me. I wasn’t allowed initially to run with it as it wasn’t something that we practiced as run of the mill. I developed it over the years. But I wasn’t allowed to because I was the niece, I had to prove I could as an employee first. And I didn’t ask my uncle but my line manager at the time as that was the correct procedure.

Thanks

I think that once Harry saw the Archie/monkey photos and comparisons, he knew he couldn't stay.

He had wanted to leave the royal family when he was in the army and the Queen apparently convinced him to stay and find his role.

I don’t believe the BRF thought Harry would leave (even if Meg did). I remember that Andrew didn’t want to divorce Fergie (even with her 'scandals'), but there was talk of the loss of titles, money, etc and it worked. He didn't want to lose his status. He still had a good enough friendship with Sarah to remain close all these years.

That was awful i think people forget that when they say KAte had it just as bad.

I don't think Kate's real fans have done that, just those who originally didn't like Kate/were neutral about her. They now love Kate and use her as a shield to criticise Meghan

^ This, yes.

Sadly a lot of people are using megahan as a way of taking their minds of rl. They seem to have forgotten that she is a real person and are almost gleeful in seeing anything going wrong for her.
Kate on the other hand is sainted.

@thisenglishlife where were those comparisons made, or published? That sounds awful, but I don't remember seeing that. Obviously don't reproduce the content.

No, hang on, sorry, it's come back to me. It was Danny Baker, wasn't it? Very stupid of him. He was sacked by the BBC as a result, though. I don't think anyone thought that that was ok as an image. But it also wasn't from the tabloid press, so I don't see how that would feed the argument that they couldn't stay.

It was indeed Danny Baker, who is someone I'd previously had time for - he is a fantastic raconteur. But that was way, way, over any acceptable line, whatever he said afterwards about what he meant.

But, like butterypuffin says it wasnt a MSM thing - to start with, at least. It did, of course, then become one - and actually the MSM was pretty supportive in terms of saying that the comparison was awful.

That was despicable & he was rightly sacked.

Yes it was one image, not pictures plural as thisenishlife implied. It was a tweets And it was really stupid and ignorant but he did have an alternate explanation as to what the “joke” was, which was pomp and ceremony. He’d posted the same or similar pictures about white people before and had apparently forgotten or not been aware Meghan is mixed-race. But his defensive and rather stroppy reaction when the inference was pointed out to him was inexcusable imo.

Yes, no excuses, he is a very experienced broadcaster (yolo I had previously liked him too) who should have known better.

I made a typo: A tweet.

One image by one person who got punished.

Not several pictures by several different people.

Yes, he went on about how the BBC had been 'pompous' about it (ironically sounding incredibly pompous himself in the process) and seemed to think they'd over reacted. Just compounded the original lack of judgement.

I’m inclined to think that it possibly was a genuine oversight as it was a go-to joke he’d used before, always in a non-racial context. But it was his reaction when people complained that rightly sealed the deal for his dismissal.

It was his follow up tweet after people had complained - and before he was sacked - that was wrong. He didn’t take the criticism on board and apologise profusely but instead was very offended that people accused him of racism.

I’ve never been a fan but there’s no denying he was a talented broadcaster.

@Dandyish I can believe that he just didn't think. However, you can't afford that kind of lapse as that high profile a broadcaster, and as you say it was his reaction then that put it beyond the pale.

Yes it was one image, not pictures plural
I wasn't just referring to Danny Baker, or people only in the public eye. My point was this could have been one reason Harry didn't want to stay anymore.

Yep his high profile but also his vast experience. He should have known better and he should have admitted it when the racist implication was pointed out to him. MM is by her own admission white passing, so I think people could understand that he didn’t know she was mixed race, (and of course Archie, who the reference was to, has any even greater percentage of Caucasian heritage and is likely to be completely white passing).

I did find it a stretch though that Danny Baker didn’t know given he was in the media and popular journalism and should have been aware of current affairs.

I think DB might have had one of those moments where you think something's really funny and then you end up having to defend it.

Which come to think about it, is kind of along the lines of dressing up as a nazi for a party.