Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 4

[Mummy195]

Hope you don't mind Dave.

Where has this view that M was leaking stuff while working come from?

I am not sure where to start with that one.

Isn't it accepted fact that H and M were pushed into announcing their departure because of leaks from BP.

Not that I was aware.

I didn't think HMQ knew about their plans, so not sure how the leak could've come from BP? Justin Trudeau was informed before the royal family of their plan to go to Canada, so it's possible the leak came from there?

Meghan’s screen dad has given interviews talking about their last scenes when Rachel was getting married. He and Meghan pulled up in a car and he quickly spotted that she was wearing Harry’s engagement ring (the one he designed himself and which she subsequently altered).

There were lots of paps outside the car so he told her to take off the ring as the engagement had not yet been announced.

Was she hoping to leak the engagement? Was she hoping to leak their romance in the early days when she wore her friendship bracelet from him, then slapped it all over The Tig along with photos of spooning bananas?

Who knows.

I’m prone to liking H&M just because they’re just a cute couple and I like how much they seem to really love one another but.... not to slag off H or the royals too much....

Firstly I really see how the “holiday romance” feeling might’ve been accidentally slightly taken advantage of by H.... how much did he really tell M of life as a royal and how much did he sell a bit of a dream to try and marry his perfect woman... I mean their engagement interview was SO optimistic, way more than I thought either would be to a life of often drudgery... also I just assume M must’ve felt just violated and distraught and unsupported at the vile press. Im sure all royals have things you could pull them up on but crikey what a baptism of fire. And we don’t know how supportive the royals were to her at all, in a country where she had few friends :(

Also I hadn’t really thought about it but something definitely happened between any of W&K and H&M because they came together for that foundation! Completely forgot that the four of them were supposed to be acting for the same foundation... that seems a LONG way off now. I can see how it could be the “drip drip” effect, but gosh what a departure from those days.

there has been press corroboration of stories that Charles and his office leaked and briefed against his children as part of the campaign to rehabilitate Camilla.

Yes I've heard this. Also that William went through some stuff in his youth and embarrassing stories about Harry were released as a distraction and to shield him. Now if that's actually true then I can understand why there's a rift. If you do that for your brother but then he's not willing to offer support to you and your new wife, well then I imagine you'd be a bit miffed.

How would Harry have been “doing” that for his brother though? Presumably it wasn’t his decision to leak the stories about him.

Unless you’re implying he willingly did the embarrassing stuff on purpose so that it could be deliberately leaked to create a distraction? If so, nice of him to have taken one for the team by wear the Nazi uniform and calling a commoner “a P*ki”.

Yes Harry's youthful 'mistakes' were a bit more than that really weren't they? If my teenage son behaved like that I would appalled and extremely worried.

I was referring to the leaking of the stories, not the antics themselves. I'm sure other royals have done plenty in the past that hasn't been leaked?

That’s why I’m rather fond of M and not too fond of H.... he says stuff about equality where you think, erm yes you’re just waking up to this. M must be very patient at times.... he married up tbh. She’s worked hard and is eloquent... at her “worst” you can say she’s expensive (like any other royals!). At his worst... well...

I think bringing stuff he did years ago is silly. A lot of people do daft stuff and then grow up and become better people.
He seemed to go through a wild phase.
In more recent times he seemed to have grown up. His work with invictus ans stuff like that seemed to give him direction. Hopefully being a husband and a dad will give him a sense of belonging.
You have to also remember he comes from a racist family look at PP and his great uncle was a nazi supporter. Not excusing it.

I agree Samcro, he has improved with age. I made lots and lots of mistakes and still do. As you say though it doesn't excuse the behaviour.

I agree. He made a very very stupid mistake with that fancy dress, I bet he's mortified about that. But hang on a minute... there's footage out there of the Queen and PMargaret giving nazi salutes so no one's perfect.

@Notmyrealname855

So spending around £1 million on clothes in a single year is just 'expensive'?

I take that with a pinch of salt. I read somewhere Kate has spent more than MM in a year on clothes.
But perhaps it was a particular year. All swings and roundabouts. And boringly another stick to beat MM with.

That was that slightly odd blog which, when totting up how much various royals spend, didn't count Kate's numerous McQueen evening dresses (as they're custom made and no price is available for them) but counted things like the jewellery Meghan was given as wedding presents by Harry and Charles.

there's footage out there of the Queen and PMargaret giving nazi salutes so no one's perfect.

Hardly comparable since IIRC they were children at the time! They were doing what they were told to. Harry was a young adult and so responsible for his own decisions.

I brought up his past as a PP brought up speculative past goings-on by William and Harry. But you know that

Of course most of us did stupid things when young but I doubt most of us, many of whom are older than Harry, would have worn a Nazi uniform or calmed people racist slurs.

I’ve always thought it surprising and a little perturbing that Meghan would be with him given those things are on record. A sense of entitlement and detachment like that is usually innate, and hard to break.

I do think there’s (also) something innately sweet and charming about him though.

@Cerseirys

Comparison isnt a reason. I personally find it incredibly distasteful to spend a MILLION pounds of taxpayers' money on clothes in a year, more so considering she has never even worked or paid a penny of tax in the UK - she has been flown over to take take take. It's like she was determined to squeeze out every last drop.

The Queen was SEVEN possibly even six when she was taught and performed that Nazi salute. Margaret was even younger.

You really think that’s comparable to Harry at TWENTY choosing to wear a Nazi costume?

Really scraping the barrel of deflection, whataboutery & justification there @Roussette

I don't get why Kate would be furious with them. of course everything will rest on her family, W is in line for the throne. as are her children. H is now something like 6th in line. so he is not even senior(if he stayed)

Well they’d upset her husband, her father in law and his 90-something parents by behaving as they did.
The Sussexes were part of the plan for a streamlined monarchy - Charles and his two sons - so Harry was a senior royal unless you think the Cambridge children should be doing royal engagements but now William will do everything with a consequent impact on Kate and her children’s lives
But no - why would she be cross with them?

Roussette HM & PM aged around 6&4(?) doing the Nazi salute in around 1933/34 before people knew about the Nazi’s? Are you comparing that to Harry dressing up as a Nazi in his 20’s??

Why should W not do everything, he is the heir to the throne, he is the one who will get all the perks.
I watched a programme about PC a while back and he was talking about the dutchy and how it will all go to W. surely if he is going to get all the perks he should be the one to do the work.

Whtever you say Dandyish

I am just saying that Harry is not the only Royal to have done something stupid.

As for the workload of W&K... he is heir to the throne, of course he will have more duties to do.

I am curious about all these posters so pro W&K, have you always been like that or is it just the Meghan effect? I've never seen them so popular on MN !

H &M would never have won. If they had stayed they would have constantly been compared to W&k and even if they worked their socks of would have been ripped apart for every small reason.
Do have to say one thing I think Kate is very clever with the photos of her kids. By taking them herself, she can make sure only good ones are used and can also take much nicer relaxed shots. really good idea.

Of course Harry’s not the only one to do have done something stupid.

But in the case of the Queen and Margaret and That Salute, it was the adults in charge who were doing something stupid. Although very relevant here is that it was 1933 so pre WW2 and not 2005 as in Harry’s case. Irritatingly for you, the context does actually matter.

I agree @Samcro that William should do most of the work.