Why is Harry talking?

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Is there something seriously wrong with him?

I don't think you need to understand royal protocol to treat people well and be polite.

Too true! Surely, the more unsure you were, the more you'd go out of your way to be beyond criticism on the grounds of courtesy if nothing else. I'm sure they'd forgive you the rest, and teach you.

I don't think you need to understand royal protocol to treat people well and be polite.

I didn't say it was ok. My point was that I think Meghan was following Harry's example. That was the whole point of what I said. Not that it was ok for her to be rude. I also think that what passes for rudeness in this country would just be seen as direct and assertive by many Americans.

Harry was never rude to staff before she came along by all accounts. He was known as a down to earth, one of the lads type. Everything seems to have changed when M came on the scene.

I was referencing the opinion poster earlier on where it was said that in their opinion Harry's persona was carefully constructed by BP. I said I agreed with this and that I thought Meghan's supposed rude behaviour might have resulted. It's my opinion, I'm not asserting any of this as fact. If you read my entire previous post you'll understand what I was saying.

CallMeAngelina
Ok glad you’re keeping up... you must be nicer than me or something ...

Talking of the amount of time TM was to be brought over for, didn't Doria come for a very short period too?

Yes Doria arrived just a couple of days before the wedding.

I was the poster who said I believe Harry’s public persona was a result of BP protecting him by creating a “fun Harry” image for him. His previous history of filming himself calling his army colleagues “ragheads and Paki’s”, his drug use, the Nazi costume were all smoothed over for him by the palace. The royal rota, which he and Meghan now reject, probably protected him many times over because the palace could offer up positive stories and access in exchange for minimising scandals.

I don’t believe the stories about throwing tea etc but I do think there was something very strange about Harry not meeting Meghan’s father before they got engaged. In their engagement interview they both looked very uncomfortable when they were trying to gloss over that.

They both seem so thin-skinned and pompous. Apparently they won’t take advice from anyone so we expect them to keep on blundering from disaster to disaster and blaming the media for it.

I never had much respect for PR professionals.

I now see that I was very very wrong and that they are practically magicians after seeing the stark difference between Harry taking their advice and then deciding just to wing it himself.

I've been a PR person for 20 plus years and dealing with the media really does take some thought and skill.

I have worked for companies of all sizes and in most market sectors and that's something that takes quite a bit of work and benefits from training and experience. Working for individuals is a whole other circle of hell.

On both occasions when I did some PR for celebrities (think very, very z-list) it was a nightmare. They didn't;t take advice, shouted a lot, acted like prats and then seemed amazed when they got no publicity, or the wrong kind. Never again.

I somewhat agree with the point upthread in that H&M don't need the liking or approval of the exact type of person who they've pissed off.

That isn't their target market. Take Gwyneth Paltrow - she's made herself a billion dollar fortune out of something that I've never met a single real life person likes or approves of.

However - Gwyneth had a platform, took advice, and had significantly more personal wealth behind her GOOP enterprise. Also it was an explicitly commercial enterprise. Same for Kylie Jenner and her billion dollar make up empire. She had a platform of which a huge number of people vocally dislike and disapprove of, which doesn't matter at all as long as the right people are buying.

I don't know anyone who's launched a charitable foundation whilst needing to sustain significant personal spending on security and accommodation, no clarity on what they're selling (how do scented candles support a well of strength and action?), and no indication of the support they'll offer, to who, and with what experience. Even Cheryl Cole has a better basis for her charitable enterprises, and she's supporting people from her own background - impossible, of course, for these two, because people from their own background require no support.

I do think they're actually in earnest about this. I think they're both people who care immensely - but in a very self-centered and superficial fashion. That fits with a royal patronage very well, but for a practical foundation, it's entirely useless.

I do think they're actually in earnest about this. I think they're both people who care immensely

Yes, I agree.

I get the impression that they want to “help”, but in a very patronising way which is more about them getting warm, fuzzy feelings and good press than actually wanting to get their hands dirty.

Meghan had some great initiatives as a working royal- particularly the Grenfell kitchen and the work wear range. But a foundation? What? Talk about running before you can walk.

And that’s before I even get into Harry just washing his hands of the Invictus Games. Apparently the other organisers were gutted. That says it all to me. For something he was so passionate about, he’s just dumped it.

I think it’s fasincating Harry didn’t meet Meghan dad, I never realised that, I can’t imagine what the justification would be never to make the effort in the couple of years they were together pre marriage, that’s just very odd and signals much bigger issues.

He’s not dropped invictus though has he?

Has he dumped the Invictus Games? This year's games have been postponed due to coronavirus, as have most other sporting events.

I always said H not meeting M's dad was very strange. Surely, PC and the queen would have been wondering why too?

Unless TM didn't feel ready to meet H. He strikes me as a proud man. Perhaps he wanted to lose some weight first but that didn't happen and he kept putting it off?

M didn't seem embarrassed by him on the Tig, but then she could have been presenting that way - i.e. daddy's "bean" - for the right image. I'm just amazed that he was supposed to arrive just before the wedding - was it a week before? - and acclimatise to meeting the new in-laws, attend some events presumably like afternoon tea with PC and Camilla and possibly others plus seeing Doria, who he might not have seen for a while and although neither seems to have said a bad word about the other, who knows what their relationship is really like plus he didn't even have a suit at that point I'm guessing or perhaps even clothing for the other things he'd have had to do.

As someone said earlier, their mother would have made excuses to get out of it and I don't blame them. TM is a polo shirt and jeans kind of person, he'd have realised he needed to get some smart casual clothes and it might have just seemed too much for him.

I don't think he's anything to be embarrassed about. H should have made sure he met him, even flown over, said we're here and we're going out for a meal and a drink. I think TM might have found the build-up to certain things too hard to handle and a few casual meetings might have helped him.

If they really wanted to ‘help the world’ they would just join an established charity surely?

I’ve worked with some people who have done just that - amazingly talented people who know that just because the are very famous and well disposed towards a particular cause, that doesn’t make them a know it all. They understand that by using their name and fame they can reach a lot of people. And I have to say the celebs I’ve worked with have been - to a man/woman - gracious, well informed, passionate about the cause and have the attitude of them charity is the star, not me’. They have given time and money to help those who know how to run a charity, run a charity. They haven’t marched in with a ‘I know best’ attitude and shouted the odds.

"Has he dumped the Invictus Games?"

No. He made a statement about his sadness at the (inevitable) postponement and looked forward to them happening next year.

Bunny

She made very gushing comments on the Tig and her Instagram about her dad quite soon before she met PH

My DF was the most embarrassing person you could imagine. I say that with deepest affection. But I couldn't imagine getting married to DH without the two meeting first. Unthinkable.

To those who don't believe the tea throwing, aggressive behaviour and unreasonable demands..why have no staff come forward to say it's not true?
Why has NOBODY spoken out to say "Meghan's not like that"?

Imagine being a member of the 'family she never had', that was offensive nastiness from Harry.
Her 'narc' dad paid her bills, rent and sundries when she was acting, we know this because SHE gushed about it on her tig, why is a bloke who hasn't met him (despite marrying his daughter)issuing warnings over text while her dad was in hospital?

That's not 'concern', that's just shitty behaviour from a royal.
I want to know what H&M are so worried he might disclose. They want him to shut up about something.

I think that fear of worlds colliding is one that i used to have before i was mature enough to realise that i was seeking a bit of validation from party A, spinning myself pr style to party b, being my real self to party c. You get the picture. It is very common amongst emotionally immature people to not really have one consistent self. They are different depending on whether they are kissing up or kicking down.

It isnt always that cynical though, i realise that.

I think that fear of worlds colliding is one that i used to have before i was mature enough to realise that i was seeking a bit of validation from party A, spinning myself pr style to party b, being my real self to party c. You get the picture. It is very common amongst emotionally immature people to not really have one consistent self. They are different depending on whether they are kissing up or kicking down. I think you've put it very well. If you don't have an authentic consistent self then it must have made it very difficult for Meghan to introduce Harry to her father. She's obviously portrayed herself as Cinderella who escaped from her evil family hence 'the family she never had.'

all staff will be required to sign NDAs so fear of job loss, legal action etc will prevent them speaking out unless its done indirectly where they are quoted as "a source"

Bunny

She made very gushing comments on the Tig and her Instagram about her dad quite soon before she met PH

No idea why that posted twice