Royals and American media coverage

[ButteryPuffin]

Saw this cover posted on Twitter and noted that it seems the tabloids do indeed exist in the US (amazing, huh?). This is pretty much what you'd expect from the source, and I think it's pretty deplorable, but I am interested to see how the American media in general cover the presence of the former royals who've now arrived to make their home there. Of course we can discuss their coverage of other Royals too and related topics. All welcome.

Link to cover story - please note I'm not endorsing it, I'm just sharing it:
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My first deleted message . Bloody hell it was tame in comparison to some of the vitriol on MN. Interesting ....

What did you say Mrs Grindah? Tell me by PM if you prefer.

Actually, I am not happy to let anti-Meghan slide. I don’t think I ever have posted anything negative about her as a person. The only personal posts have been one or two posts saying that she is gorgeous. I do admit that any positive comment on looks is inappropriate had this been a corporate environment.

The fact that certain actions, Instagram posts, security arrangements, press coverage etc is being debated or criticised does not put me into any anti-Meghan box. In addition, the fact that another poster on a thread I am participating in makes a comment or dislike any other action taken by any Royal, does not automatically assume that I agree with said criticism, nor does it prohibit me from criticising something else.

I made a joke about Meghan that was in no way nasty or personal..but I can see how the land lies now.

Tugs forelock

Ahhhh. Thank you.

Gutted. It’s like Gary Lineker getting sent off.

Red card for you.

MrsGrindah

I’m as sick as a parrot

From wiki:

• Globally, MailOnline is the most visited English-language newspaper website
• Almost 70% of its traffic comes from outside the UK, mostly from the United States.[20] The Daily Mail print newspaper has no presence there, but has aggressively targeted the country with its online offering, branded as the "Daily Mail" rather than MailOnline.

The relevant wiki quotes pretty out of date figures, but the point is made. Anecdotally bored Wall Street workers were clicking on the "sidebar of shame" and reading up on TOWIE characters even though they had no idea who they were. Gossip is gossip. However they definitely know who H&M are.

The Mail court case is still scheduled and that will set the bar. The Mail seem determined to use their deep pockets to fight. If I owned MN, which I don't, I would be very cautious until this action is decided and a precedent set.

Almost 70% of the MainOnline’s traffic is from outside the UK? Wow. Not surprised it’s mostly from the US though - same language, similar Western references etc. I know The Mail Online/Daily Mail has a Daily Mail Australia version.

So people in the US read lowbrow/tabloid newspaper - it’s just might be a British rather than American one and online rather than in print.

I'm not surprised Dandy
The court case should be interesting as it will be worldwide coverage for the Daily Mail/ Mail Online.

I know that the anti-Meghan coterie on MN does try to push the notion that there is a tabloid culture in the US with influence similar to that in the UK, but push as they might, it is still not true. (In full )

Yet again, you make a broad and inaccurate statement. No one has "pushed" any notion. let alone that influences are similar. Personally, I don't know the "influence" of UK tabloids. I don't live in the UK. I don't know if people use UK tabloids as sources of gossip material. I do recall that while negative stories about MM were appearing in the press, her UK approval ratings were very positive. That suggests to me that there is not a huge amount of "tabloid influence" in the UK. I believe the negative views of H&M that exist now are the result of their actions and statements, attributed directly to them, stated by them in that documentary and in subsequent speeches.

The point about US tabloids was never that they are influential. Go back and find one link that says that states that. It as, as with the previous assertion you made which was challenged, a leap on your part because that is how you wish to see things. It certainly is not borne out by posts here. Naturally, I know you won't provide evidence which does not exist beyond the confines of your fertile imagination.

Now, on to US tabloids - the point made here (at least by me), was, and is, that US tabloids exist. They have always existed. Anyone who suggests otherwise is either misinformed or lying.

@DandyPenguin The Daily Mail has a US page covering US news. I read it - it is fairly right wing, pro Trump (oddly, Piers Morgan's column appears in the US section), but it also has a lot of human interest stories from across the US, and stories on health issues, some, a little "out" there, but usually interesting (this is what I come to read). When one first visits the site, it will ask what types of stories are of interest. As I choose "news", I never see the celebrity stories, so I never read them.

You haven’t yet come back and answered us @SenecaFallsRedux. I hope you will.

Your posts (and not just yours) here have left me feeling frustrated and disappointed. @ButteryPuffin wrote a very reasonable and intelligent OP about a topic with a wide remit.

I appreciate that you and @mathanxiety are much more knowledgeable about the US - and indeed, the UK - than most of us. Which is why I don’t understand why, when you’re clearly smart, you’ve undermined your points here. You can make as many categoric statements as you like (without supporting evidence) - it won’t turn what is essentially your opinion into irrefutable fact.

You’ve also undermined the strength of your point by very quickly getting in a dig at a group of posters and falsely making out they asserted something here that they didn’t.

MNHQ has informed posters who reported posts on another (now deleted) thread that they’ve banned a poster who routinely came on to attack the same posters you are referring to. That was yesterday. Yet here you are today with your coterie jibe. As your President would say - sad

The Daily Mail is the UK equivalent of Fox News when it comes to influence in the UK, with its most significant influence being that on British cultural and political opinion. It echoes and reflects cultural tropes, and pushes a very right of centre political message.

The issue with tabloid coverage of Meghan Markle in the UK tabloids was the not-very-thinly-veiled racism that is part and parcel of the Fox/Trump/Tories take on things, the appeal to the folks who think Enoch Powell was right and Nigel Farage is a hero.

Along with the high decibel political headlines and the strident political message, the DM also features relentless doses of gossip, and rather explicit photos of women 'flaunting their assets'.

While there is plenty of material that appeals to misogynists and those with limited critical thinking skills in the US, there is nothing like that DM (and British tabloids in general) double whammy of lowbrow appeal available in mainstream outlets in the US in the same package.

But where else could I read headlines like this?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566021/Convicted-thief-stole-15-000-aunt-avoided-jail-saying-pregnant-police-question-realising-just-fat.html

I have said on other threads that when I was in Chicago last October, two weeks before Britain could have crashed out of the EU, the main news channel LED on Harry and Megan and the "crisis" at the palace. I had no idea what they were talking about but this story was what they thought was more important than any US issue as well. It was incredible.

Yes, local news features car crashes and other non essential items, as well as elections, local and national politics, police shenanigans, business and sports and weather reports.

Maybe the crashing out of the EU wasn't featured because Chicago wasn't crashing out of the EU? And maybe the UK in general isn't all that important to Chicago or even to the US? Shock, horror, the UK isn't as important in the US as it thinks it is.
But its well known celebrities are recognisable enough to boost ratings.

There are outlets other than the local broadcast news stations though. Chicago's PBS station, WTTW ('Window To The World'), broadcasts exceptional local, regional and international coverage and analysis. It has been around since 1955. It is affiliated with a truly incredible classical music station, WFMT, which broadcasts worldwide thanks to the wizardry of newfangled technology.

video.wttw.com/video/brexit-ramp-1571355693/

From 17/10/19, broadcast in Chicago and around the US, 7.26 minutes of news and analysis.

The financial industry, the exchanges, banks, etc are major employers in Chicago. The industry is basically the engine that keeps the city running. The people who work in this industry are pretty well informed.

CBC ran a lot of analysis of Brexit, both on television and radio.

I get a great deal of US television stations on cable-NYC, Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles (all 3 networks and Fox), CNN, MSNBC, and Bloomberg. I think American television media is rather insular.

'American television media' is an enormous category.

It includes PBS news offerings and hundreds of local affiliates of the major broadcasters and Fox local stations all in the same phrase.

PBS has run a lot of reporting and analysis of Brexit and will no doubt continue to.

The issue with tabloid coverage of Meghan Markle in the UK tabloids was the not-very-thinly-veiled racism that is part and parcel of the Fox/Trump/Tories take on things, the appeal to the folks who think Enoch Powell was right and Nigel Farage is a hero.

There were two disgraceful racist comments published in the DM. The Compton one, and the "exotic blood in the RF" one.

Without mentioning these two, what other racist comments are you referring to?

Most people I know were delighted when Meghan married Harry. Look at the people lining the streets. I threw a wedding breakfast party in their honour with dress code red white & blue.

On a personal note as the dd & gdd of immigrants I & the rest of my family were over the moon that Meghan was welcomed. And she was. It went wrong afterwards but that was down to them not the public.