Royals and American media coverage

[ButteryPuffin]

Saw this cover posted on Twitter and noted that it seems the tabloids do indeed exist in the US (amazing, huh?). This is pretty much what you'd expect from the source, and I think it's pretty deplorable, but I am interested to see how the American media in general cover the presence of the former royals who've now arrived to make their home there. Of course we can discuss their coverage of other Royals too and related topics. All welcome.

Link to cover story - please note I'm not endorsing it, I'm just sharing it:
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Not sure what it is you want Harry. I was not the first or only poster to mention Brexit. Maybe ask one of them?

I stand by that statement. Americans are pretty insular.

I think Brexit was about economics, not insularity.

Perhaps an intelligent, informed post rather than, well.

seneca - is it tit for tat then?

Just because people voted for brexit doesn’t mean they are insular. There are many reasons why people voted for brexit, being insular wasn’t a requirement.

I think Brexit meant different things to different people.

Please, for the love of all that’s holy, no more Brexit. Pretty, pretty please?

@Jillyhilly don't you want to go back to those halcyon days when all we heard about on the news was Brexit?!

There is an analysis that describes people as either "anywheres" or "somewheres", and part of my concern about the EU is that it is run by Brussels' "anywheres" who fail to understand Europe's "somewheres".
Needmoresleep

Would that be a close relative of the execrable 'citizens of nowhere' angle of Theresa May?

And why would Brussels be populated by 'anywheres'? They are from individual EU countries, including the UK until recently.

Speaking of failure to understand Europe's "somewheres" - are you aware that the UK government recently made noises to the effect that after Brexit it will no longer respect EU geographical indications of food products?

When it's all boiled down, is the hostility toward 'Brussels anywheres' not an example of insularity?

Or is it more 'dog in the manger'?

PenguinOrHippo
"In a democratic procedure (with a very close call), a majority of the British people voted for Brexit for various reasons."

"In a democratic procedure (with a quite close call) a majority of the American people voted for Trump for various reasons."

Jillyhilly Tue 07-Apr-20 17:41:43
Delurking to say that this is literally the most sensible thing anyone has ever said on either subject. I mean that most sincerely PenguinOrHippo

LOL.

Hillary Clinton won almost 3 million more votes than Donald Trump.

So that remark was neither sensible nor relevant, and it wasn't even particularly insightful.

Various reasons?
Let's hear them.

Needmoresleep

I looked up Dominic Raab last night since I knew nothing about him bar he is an arch Brexiteer. His CV is interesting, impressive even. He may be right or wrong on Brexit, but his background alone entitles him to an opinion.

Mwahahaha.

Look up Dominic Raab, Brexit, and 'Dover'. I dare you.

In the same way as having a vote entitles British voters to having an opinion.
But if you happen to be a voter in NI, Scotland (or theoretically Wales) and your opinion doesn't coincide with the majority of English opinion, you will be dragged along regardless, wherever English voters want to drag you to.

(And BTW, how have you got this far without hearing of Dominic Raab?)

@Myimaginarypenguinhasfleas
The DM posted two indisputably racist comments about MM. No-one, certainly not me, has excused or minimised them. They were roundly condemned for them, and rightly so. Nowhere did I say these were not racist. You are letting your imagination run away with you.
I didn't say you said they were not racist. That is your own imagination playing up. You said that and then you indicated that those two disgraceful remarks shouldn't count when discussing racism.

Whenever people talk about MM being the victim of racism, they can only ever point to these two examples, which were robustly challenged at the time.
And there it is. They can only ever point. Only.

I did not ask you to prove that racism isn't a thing in the UK, I asked you to provide any other examples of racism against MM that you knew of

Yes I know. I can read, thanks.
The question remains, "Why do you want more examples of racism against Meghan Markle?"

You want to discuss racism in the British gutter press but you request that I leave aside the two disgusting and disgraceful examples of racism that you mention.
Why leave these aside?
How many disgraceful remarks count as racism?
How many remarks is 'enough'?

Whenever people talk about MM being the victim of racism, they can only ever point to these two examples, which were robustly challenged at the time.

You are saying that MM wasn't a victim of racism because
(1) Only two disgusting remarks were published by the DM, and
(2) Those remarks were 'robustly challenged'.

I think Americans appear insular because of the stories about some not having passports and other stuff.
Americans don't have long holidays every year - often just a week or two, and abroad from the UK is across the channel - abroad from central USA is for example a 10 hour flight to Europe or 12 hour flight to east Asia, Buenos Aires is 12 hours at least too depending on where in the US you are, America is a big continent.
So why spend your leave flying when you can drive in comfort on big highways to the mountains or beach in your own country. And the USA has hot beaches, skiing mountains, historical cities, deserts, National Parks all of its own. It would take years to visit their own beauty spots let alone anywhere else.

Can we please stop fighting about Brexit, US passport owning stats, Trump and whatever else now? Please?

This was an interesting thread until it got lost in the undergrowth.

This link shows some of the bitchiness of the tabloids about Meghan
www.boredpanda.com/uk-media-double-standarts-royal-meghan-markle-kate-middleton/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

BarleylemonPenguin
People were puzzled by her actions and pronouncements which seemed immature and deceptive - 'There is no tabloid culture in the US'. Anyone who has grown up in a free market society, even if they haven't researched it, will nevertheless know that good and bad products coexist, and some individuals will partake of the 'bad' (tabloids) and some will partake of the 'good' (broadsheets).

'Deceptive'.
In what way?

'Immature'
In what way?

And exactly what people were puzzled by her? All the people? Some of the people? Any particular sort of people?
Maybe very insular people?

To portray the world as only being populated by 'good' things and acting surprised that 'bad' things exist seemed disingenuous to many.
Let me get this straight...
Intelligent, educated, accomplished professional marries and settles in her H's country of birth expecting to be judged on her considerable merits.
Objects when judged instead for her heritage, both national and racial, her alleged motives in marrying, her education, her professional accomplishments, and her intelligence.
Is criticised for this reaction, because she should have expected to be shat upon from a great height.
Is criticised for expecting kindness, generosity of spirit, and openness of heart.
Her inability to anticipate being shat upon from a great height is apparently a character flaw on her part.
Her assumption that kindness, generosity of spirit and openness of heart would be default positions is apparently a character flaw on her part.

This woman couldn't win for losing, could she?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8197967/amp/JAN-MOIR-Not-coronavirus-crisis-stop-Harry-Meghans-scheme-save-world.html

Good article if it is the DM

I don't click on DM articles

Various reasons?
Let’s hear them.

No, thank you.

mathanxiety, all your posts sound so very angry and tired. There is nothing new or interesting in what you say: these arguments been rehashed literally thousands of times and they only serve to suck the life and interest out of discussions. Maybe that’s the point? You certainly know by this point that you won’t change anyone’s mind.

Trying to goad people into yet another argument about why people voted for Brexit or Trump, or for that matter whether everyone in the world is a secret racist, seems weirdly dated at this moment in time. It’s like a long-standing family argument that’s been settled a long time ago, but one family member is still deeply wounded by, never got over and has to bring up again and again. Time to let it go, perhaps, and look towards the future?

I wasn't offering reasons to you. I wanted to hear what the 'various reasons' were.

I didn't offer my thoughts on Brexit in a vacuum. 'Various reasons' was a remark of another poster, commenting on Brexit.

Apparently others are allowed to post their thoughts on Brexit, but I am not.

@mathanxiety

If "two disgraceful racist comments" are not racism, then what is?

These are your words, not mine.

I am pointing out that no-one has said those comments were not racist. They were disgraceful and unforgivable. I don't know how much more clearly I can express myself on that point.

By all means address the seriousness of the individual comments, but to claim they amount to a sustained campaign of racism is inaccurate, unless you or others can point to further examples.

Anyway, this doesn't move he thread forward in any constructive way, so I'm leaving the discussion there.

A notorious rag made two racist digs about person X. Therefore everything critical that anyone, ever says about person X is racist. For evermore. Irrespective of merit. Is that the argument?

Because I’m not sure why we are still stuck on Daily Hate articles from 2017.

Whenever people talk about MM being the victim of racism, they can only ever point to these two examples, which were robustly challenged at the time.

..to claim they amount to a sustained campaign of racism is inaccurate, unless you or others can point to further examples.

Your words. ^^

Two comments are insufficient to qualify as racism, according to you.

If you can't see it, I am not sure how much more help I can offer you.

A notorious rag made two racist digs about person X. Therefore everything critical that anyone, ever says about person X is racist. For evermore. Irrespective of merit. Is that the argument?

What 'merit' are we talking about here?