Club Penguin Royal - the intricacies of the monarchy etc

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Have taken the liberty of starting a new fred if no one else has?

If God forbid Harry became regent we should have a vote on becoming a republic. He showed his contempt to the British people and he can stay in Canada.

I feel a bit uncomfortable reading that Drs and their spouses felt anger on hearing of PC’s test because medics on the front line don’t get one.

I understand your feeling. I hope you understand why I feel there’s a group of people who arguably should be tested before medics on the frontline, and that’s people with symptoms who are not critical enough for ICU. Any medics that fall into that category should be tested as part of that as course. But I’m not sure I agree with testing people who don’t have symptoms over people who do...

As I said before, it’s PPE that’s the issue; adequate PPE should hopefully mean that HCPs & others aren’t put at risk.

Thanks

So Harry can still be suspended (domiciled elsewhere, but perhaps not formally removed until after the review in one year), and a new solution needs to be found to suspend Andrew

''Men are more likely to die from the Coronavirus,. I've no idea why.''

The medical theory is that woman have stronger immune systems than men - the x chromosone provides protection against a wider variety of disesases including cancer and women having two x chromosones are at an advantage over men who have just one. It's also positied as a reason why women live longer than men. I'm no scientist so I apologise for inaccuracies in my attempted explanation!

Also, and this would be specific to different regions/age groups/cultures etc... but for example in China, about 48% of adult men smoke while only 2% of adult women smoke. Men therefore had greater likelihood of underlying conditions - comprimised lungs, heart issues etc... leading to a inbalance in mortality rates.

Harry can remove himself because of the domicile.

Andrew could be removed if he gives up his place in the line of succession (I don't see it at all) or a new act could be put in place to remove him specifically.

Then it would be Beatrice and Eugnie who would take their places.

If William takes the throne before George is 18 (I forgot that in my last post - George can be CoS at 18 as the heir) then his CoS's would be

Kate - as his consort
Harry
Andrew
Beatrice
Eugenie

If Harry and Andrew are removed then it would be

Kate
Beatrice
Eugenie
Edward
Anne (Anne would be replaced by Lady Louise when she turned 21)

I’m pretty sure as dammit that at present Harry would be considered domiciled here. It may be more typically an American or international concept but from what I understand, It’s not a loose concept in UK law. Nor is it strictly related to tax. In the UK your tax liability is dependent on your residency not where you’re domiciled. I’m not an expert though so may be wrong.

It’s basically where you consider your homeland, your permanent home place to be. And where you were born and your parents place of domicile is very relevant.

@Rainbunny thank you, that’s very helpful

As I said before, it’s PPE that’s the issue; adequate PPE should hopefully mean that HCPs & others aren’t put at risk.

^ This.

I don't have confidence in the tests, largely because I'm still waiting for my results a fortnight after being tested. Far better to place as many barriers between health and care workers and the virus as possible. I'd suggest that includes giving them adequate sleep and recovery time so their own immune systems can do their work.

I don't think it's really that loose a concept. Most domicile cases (in common law jurisdictions) are tax related. In the case of individuals resident in two states, domicile could be challenged by either state, but would typically be challenged by the state with the higher tax rate. I think it just isn't challenged that often. I know that's the case in Canada - there are almost no cases on provincial domiciles, but there are some on Canadian vs foreign "residence" (a slightly different concept, but still relevant).

I suspect Harry still has enough ties currently to be domiciled in the UK, but as time goes on, that may not be the case. Were I arguing that he is not domiciled, I would point to his stated intentions to not live in the UK, his long period abroad (assuming this is a few years down the road), the fact his wife has abandoned her claim for UK citizenship (which I am assuming is accurate), the homes he owns abroad, where his child/children are going to school, where the family has medical insurance (assuming they are not living in Canada), where his phone and credit cards are registered, etc. It's a balancing act and a question of fact, not law, with no one factor outweighing others.

Harry would absolutely be classed as domicilled here at present

You only have to "maintain strong links" - his father is here, his brother, he has a home here and they originally said they intended to split their time between the UK and North America.

So he'd still feature. I think Andrew is more likely to be stepped down from that role, if it's needed, than Harry.

HMQ's first Counsellor of State group contained her Aunt Princess Mary, the Princess Royal, and Mary's son the Earl of Harewood. He was by no means a senior working royal so being a working royal isn't necessary and wouldn't preclude Harry, the York girls or Edward's children if needed.

I think the only question with Harry being regent for George would be if he was willing to do it. One of the big issues for the previous Duke of Gloucester was that he had to be in the country when George VI wasn't as he would be the Regent to Elizabeth before she was 18. I'm not sure Harry would be willing to have his schedule dictated by William's.

You’re still waiting Flies?

That’s bad.

Harry returning to the country of his home birth to be the Prince Regent would make an excellent Disney movie.

Haha! Pity Meghan couldn’t get a part in that movie. I love the ‘rat on a drainpipe’ analogy. It’s very apt.

Rat up a drainpipe to get a tiara did make me immediately picture a Disney-style cartoon rat wearing a tiara.

I’m interested in whether people think Harry (and by extension Meghan) would be up for that. Which is of course entirely different to whether William etc would be up for that.

Which is of course entirely different to whether William etc would be up for that.

Atm William would have no choice. If he wants to change it, and Harry doesn't, then he'd have to go to parliament and go for a new Regency Act so it would really depend on what the government of the day thinks of Harry.

Personally I think there would be a big difference between Harry acting as Regent because something horrific happens quick succession. I think perhaps he would step up for his nephew given that George would be in a similar position losing his father as Harry was losing his mother.

I think if HMQ and PC were to die and then what Harry was being asked to do was work his life around William's schedule 'just in case' that might be a different story.

The latter is one of the reasons the Queen is so loyal to looking after the likes of the Duke of Gloucester. His father was put in the position of having to fit his life around George VI and Elizabeth until Elizabeth was 18. Even after that his life was ruled partly by it - he and his family had to come home from living in Australia when the King and Queen took the two Princesses to Africa because he was needed to act as the top CoS at the time.

So that prospect of being dictated too and the likes for years on end wouldn't appeal to Harry at all I don't think

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The latter is one of the reasons the Queen is so loyal to looking after the likes of the Duke of Gloucester. His father was put in the position of having to fit his life around George VI and Elizabeth until Elizabeth was 18. Even after that his life was ruled partly by it - he and his family had to come home from living in Australia when the King and Queen took the two Princesses to Africa because he was needed to act as the top CoS at the time.

Good point. And also the fact that the present Duke was a working architect who shunned the limelight, but who was thrust to the forefront by his brother's unexpected death, yet put his private life aside to serve the Crown.

Good point. And also the fact that the present Duke was a working architect who shunned the limelight, but who was thrust to the forefront by his brother's unexpected death, yet put his private life aside to serve the Crown.

Similar to the Kent’s as well - their father died so young that they, especially the Duke, ended up doing royal duties that they’d probably have been relatively shielded from had he been round.

The abdication and the Duke of Kent’s crash changed the lives of all of that generation of royals really, with Princess Mary’s two wins perhaps being the ones most shielded from it.

I'm still trying to get my head around the Sussex's advice in a previous insta post, that if anyone was bored during lockdown, they could retrain online as a counsellor. Because counseling is a great and easy profession for the bored. And boredom is our biggest worry. And we are all comfortably at home wondering how to make money out of the pandemic. Very revealing about their perspective and priorities.

A pp said Prince Philip was named regent but wasn’t in the line of succession. I thought he was but very very distantly? Isn’t he descended from Queen Victoria?

I assume this blind is about HaM...

blindgossip.com/a-shocking-accident/

"King Ralph" - John Goodman was a Las Vegas lounge singer who became king by, I suppose, default.

CanIHaveAPenguinPlease

I assume this blind is about HaM...

Yes that was my first thought too

**Dandy -Perhaps people need to feel uncomfortable? Am sorry to sound combatative but sticking to facts:
It’s not about testing medics with no symptoms. This isn’t my argument. There are swathes of doctors and nurses out there with mild to moderate symptoms of something, having to self isolate. Those left in work are really, really struggling. Then they are sent back in without any idea if they are immune or not.
So it’s not just about PPE. This is an equally important issue and I am glad you recognise this, those that have said it. Testing is crucial if you want anybody left in the NHS to offer a proper service.
I wish PC a speedy recovery - of course I do. But please understand how this debate got started and the premise behind it.

Heh, that blind. MM is delusional if she thinks the UK will accept HAM as King and Queen.
It’s William or republic I feel.