Club Penguin Royal - the intricacies of the monarchy etc

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Have taken the liberty of starting a new fred if no one else has?

@SussexRoyalPenguin Not sure about that, but my BIL was classed as having "mild" symptoms and going by the state of him I dread to think what moderate or severe people are going through.

I've seen him battered after rugby matches and he looked considerably worse with this. He didn't Facetime on the worst day either (MIL lives with us so he was calling her)

Would the regent have to be the next in line, our can one simply be picked? Anne, or perhaps Edward. With Sophie at his side they could make a calming, yet strong presence and likely work well with Kate.

Harry, with Meghan in a position of power, could be a nightmare, especially for Kate.

I think C and C were probably on their way anyway to Birkhall. They spend a lot of time there .

I imagine H is having a good think about where this isolation is getting him and what it is achieving. The reality of his father getting a life threatening virus when he is unable to travel back must be sinking in. i would think though that if it came to it a private jet would be sent to bring Harry back home. Not sure if it would be allowed to land though.

Harry is way down the succession now isn't he? It's Charles, William, William's children and then himself. He is very unlikely to ever be in that position. Though I suppose he might be regent until George grows up if something happened to both Charles and William. Sorry if this has already been mentioned upthread.

M must be bored witless. Nothing to put on IG of any interest, her friends can't visit, they can't go and drum up interest in the US. I bet she's eating her arm off.

The bigger question is, depending on how long COVID-19 dominates the news in the US, whether H&M can get any traction to build a global brand. If businesses are in recovery mode economically, there won't be any more JP Morgan events for hundreds of thousands of dollars. I think that is why the reports of MM claiming this is a "mental health crisis" is what's being reported, and why that was posted on their instagram. That's what they will try to "sell" post COVID-19. But really, what expertise do they have in that area? None.

Would the regent have to be the next in line, our can one simply be picked? Anne, or perhaps Edward. With Sophie at his side they could make a calming, yet strong presence and likely work well with Kate.

Unless they change the Regency Act it is the next in line to the throne who is over 21 and domiciled in the UK

So atm it would be Harry or Andrew depending on Harry's address (and willingness). Then it would be Beatrice, Eugenie, then Edward.

I would say at the moment Beatrice might be concerned as being potential Regent is quite limiting (The old Duke of Gloucester and his family had their lives changed by the abdication because he was the potential Regent) because you can't be out of the country at the same time as the Monarch and you have to be ready to step up, but also it won't be your actual job.

Under current law, the regent is the next person in the line of succession who is age 21 or older. There is also a requirement that the person must be domiciled in the United Kingdom.

Hasn't Harry expressed a desire to leave the UK permanently? If so, how can he be domiciled in the UK?

Couldn't Anne or Edward act up in the absence/isolation of HMQ & PC?

Couldn't Anne or Edward act up in the absence/isolation of HMQ & PC?

No. The Regent, or person stepping up, is the next in line who is over 21. So if HMQ and PC are out of action then it's William.

Anne and Edward are well down the line now.

Harry would have to be domiciled in the UK in order to be regent. I don't know what the laws are in the UK that govern the concept of domicile, but I would guess that it would require him to spend a substantial amount of time at his residence in the UK to be considered domiciled.

Thank you @lyralalala I didn't realise it was so specific

And yes it would be William if the Queen and Charles were both incapacitated. After William, it would be Harry, assuming the domicile issue was resolved.

I was just reading about domicile - apparently "maintaining suffient links" can be considered as domiciled

I wonder if that's behind, or partly behind, the retention of Frogmore?

@Parker231 I don’t think anyone should be calling you ridiculous. I am a doctor currently self isolating with some symptoms and still asked to do phone consultations from home because they are so desperate for staff.
My initial feeling was anger when I read about cv testing for PC.
I think it’s the gap between the entitled and the worker bees that sparks rage.
Everyone knows that’s just fear and stress making us angry.
Of course I don’t really begrudge him a test in my heart of hearts. There are politics at play- and perhaps people are right that his symptoms may not be mild.
But it’s hard to feel magnanimous when you’re worried sick about loved ones on the front line. Sending love to you Parker - I am hearing tests may be rolling out in next couple of weeks.Here’s hoping.

I thought Regent would be selected from the 5 counsellors of state, as they are the people who can (in the Queen's absence overseas or during illness) carry out certain monarchical functions.

The current counsellors of state are Princes Charles, William, Harry, Andrew and Phillip

I think she needs to suspend both Harry and Andrew from the role, and reinstate Anne and Edward

At present my non-expert opinion going by the rules is that Harry is still domiciled here in the UK.

And I agree with you Edith about suspending both Andrew & Harry.

My initial feeling was anger when I read about cv testing for PC

You'd better get on to Scotland's CMO who said today, on the record at a press conference standing next to Nicola Sturgeon, that he had had an NHS test because he met the criteria for one in that region.

@EdithWeston The Counsellors of state are the first 4 people in the line of succession so even if Harry and Andrew were removed Edward and Anne wouldn't be there as it would be Beatrice and Eugenie.

The Regent is the next in line.

The qualifications are the same, they must be over 21 and domiciled in the UK. So, for example, if Andrew isn't removed sooner he will automatically lose his place as CoS when George turns 21, Harry will lose his when Charlotte turns 21.

Sorry, the first 4 in line plus the spouse of the Monarch.

I think the Queen Mother was also allowed to stay on as a CoS after the death of her husband

If God forbid Harry was ever to find himself in the position of Regent, Meghan would be back here like a rat up a drainpipe, picking out her tiara.

It doesn't have to follow the line of succession. It's entirely within the gift of the monarch, who can grant the status to any senior Royal - including those such as Prince Phillip who are not in the line of succession at all.

Prince Harry has stepped back from senior role, and Prince Andrew is suspended from royal duties for the foreseeable. The York princesses are not senior Royals

That statement is completely at odds with mild symptoms and being at home - age or not. So at best I find that misleading to the public in terms of information. Some harsh words on this site today and general lack of understanding for how people might feel slogging their guts out while being exposed to infection. This isn’t a personal attack on PC. Or even about him.

Based on other posts, I agree that Harry is likely still domiciled in the UK. I live in a US state that is attractive to many for tax reasons. A lot of people who live here also have houses in other states, but want to be domiciled here. It's a much looser concept than many people realize.

@EdithWeston The Regency Act of 1937 made law that the Counsellors of State are the first 4 in line to the throne (who are over 21 and domicilied in the UK) plus the spouse of the Monarch and that the Regent is the first in line of succession who is over 21 and domiciled in the UK.

It is not within the gift of the monarch at all.

The York Princesses are no further down the line than the likes of the Duke of Gloucester, who was replaced by Andrew when he turned 21