Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 3

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new thread hope Dave comes back

Sure she might want to see her mother and vice versa during a six week period.
But that doesn't appear to apply to Harry and his family anymore, does it?

"frivolous discussions" i get. I mean what is this thread?
but the constant criticism is not frivolous discussions. these are real people. now I doubt they read mn for instance. but they might, they might see stuff on the internet. its cyber bullying and not frivolous discussions.
if anything at a time like this we should be nicer.

How does anyone know if any of this is true, all the nasty speculation spite and imaginings sometimes baffle me because unless anyone actually knows these people they haven't got a bloody clue and seem rather fixated

but the constant criticism is not frivolous discussions. these are real people. now I doubt they read mn for instance. but they might, they might see stuff on the internet. its cyber bullying and not frivolous discussions.

So we had the right to discuss public (and especially publicly funded) figures in an analogue world, but on the internet we can only be relentlessly positive about everyone? Otherwise it’s “cyber bullying”? I don’t buy that.

Ive been very positive and supportive of some things H&M did. (Grenfell, Australasian tour, the clothing charity, their right to maternity privacy).

More recently I think their attempt to be “half and half” royals was silly, the branding debacle misguided and their police protection expectations unreasonable,

Does this cancel out and set me to zero?

@PortiaCastis I think anyone who has had any experience of journalism or PR has an advantage in spotting what’s a leak, what’s an anonymous but good source being used, and what’s just idle speculation.

There’s a pattern to it and you can easily read between the lines to discern what information is coming from where (or whom) and what is just kite flying.

(That’s actually a big part of what makes this an interesting saga. Diana was similar.)

Ive been very positive and supportive of some things H&M did. (Grenfell, Australasian tour, the clothing charity, their right to maternity privacy)

I don't doubt you were positive about the above but Grenfell was slated by god knows how many people and press. Absolutely slated. I won't link the vile stuff on here, because this is meant to be a positive thread. The clothing charity, the same.

I'm sure there's many people with mixed feelings about them as opposed to just negative or just positive. This thread has always been an antidote to the endless negative threads, that's all.

I just we could have civilised threads with a mixture of (polite) views, instead of having to choose between opposing threads.

It all seems a bit clubhousey and silly that civilised discussion isn’t possible,

I think one can be in favour of the monarchy (as I am) but still be allowed to have an opinion when things are going awry.
Harry and Meghan had a huge amount of public goodwill shown towards them. It was (or should have been) great for them, and indeed for the monarchy.
As far as I'm concerned, they (they, not just her) have squandered a lot of that goodwill. I think it was short-sighted of them, to say the least, to unilaterally decide they were going to emigrate with little or no thought (or apparent care) that the British taxpayer would end up footing the bill.
So no, I'm not going to sit by and applaud sycophantic fawning on here of how , for instance, lovely her skin and hair and clothes are, when as far as I can see, their only use for us is to facilitate paying for it (via Prince Charles and the Duchy of Cornwall). My hair and skin would look bloody fantastic too if I had those funds, too.
I was happy to go along with it when they were contributing to the UK/Commonwealth gig, but not now.

CallmeAngelina no one is making you come on here and be a cheerleader for MM. This was just a small corner of the internet with people who felt more positive towards them.

And no one is asking you to applaud the 'sycophantic fawning' as you so nicely put it, on here. You don't have to post if you don't want to.

There are very many threads I see on MN where I just don't agree and I want to type completely the opposite to the general consensus. I don't. I avoid them because I'm the one in the minority.

The thread title says it all...
'Does-anyone-want-a-thread-for-people-who-are-happy-for-Harry-and-Meghan'

if you don't like this thread, start your own or join in one of the more critical ones. I know no one owns a thread blah blah
but why come on to a positive thread, then complain that people are being positive.
would be like me going onto a thread about Rap and asking why are they not talking about Metal.
(ooh think i need to go find a pic of mshadows)

I don't like the thread, no, but it is entirely anyone's right to post on any thread they wish to, so long as they act within the site's guidelines.
It's meant to be a discussion thread, not an echo chamber.

• Sure she might want to see her mother and vice versa during a six week period. But that doesn't appear to apply to Harry and his family anymore, does it?*

Um.. are you serious? They spent the last two Christmases with his family, she lives much closer to his family. They are more likely to see his family than hers considering hers are 4,000+ miles away. If this was posted on MN as ordinary people, people would be saying it’s only fair she goes to see her mum.

Even William and Kate have skipped Christmas at Sandringham to spend it with the Middletons, so why was that ok but not ok for Meghan and Harry?

CallmeAngelina your prerogative. Just a strange thing to do when you so obviously dislike them and their actions. But hey ho... life is strange at the moment isn't it...

Personally with all that's going on, I can't be arsed to post on threads that I don't like. I've got better things to do - like cleaning my grouting

• I don't like the thread, no, but it is entirely anyone's right to post on any thread they wish to, so long as they act within the site's guidelines. It's meant to be a discussion thread, not an echo chamber.*

And the other negative ones about them aren’t an echo chamber?

No one said you didn’t have the right to post on this thread. You were asked why you are posting to a thread you are obviously against. None of us are fawning over them. Us not choosing to be automatically negative about strangers and questioning the publicity surrounding them is not fawning over them. Many have agreed that they have made mistakes, but also agree the pearl-clutching, double standards, constant ridicule, and strong negativity against them isn’t great or necessary either.

But why come on to a positive thread, then complain that people are being positive

No-one is complaining that people are being positive. People are posting opposing opinions, which is a different thing altogether.

No thread can be entirely positive or negative, either - it isn't realistic to expect such a state of affairs.

If I started a thread about my CF neighbour, and 90% of posters agreed that he was, indeed, a CF, there would always be 10% who did not so agree.

This thread is a bit bland and banal, IMO, without some robust discussion to spark a little interest.

I do wonder if some of you are so blinkered that you are failing to see what MM is up to now.

Archewell? REALLY? Come off it. It's a shit name and a shit concept. But because MM dreamed it up you are all defending it.

Why?

And Roussette I was thinking of doing my own grouting yesterday.

Briefly.

There has been different opinions on this thread debating taxpayers funding and other stuff.

I maintain that maybe H & M couldn’t take it anymore. The press were very brutal towards her and I don’t understand why she should be expected take it. Danny Baker called her baby a royal gorilla and people actually defended this shit and called it as just ‘unfortunate’ . At least in America disgusting things can be called what they are instead of being called unfortunate, or a one off . The same tabloids that hounded Meghan are suddenly surprised she legged it, and constantly speculate how she planned all this yadda yadda.

I don’t love their foundation name , some like it and that fine.

@Clap

So you’re here to spice things up because it’s too banal for you? You don’t see how that’s a bit immature on your part.

You seem to want to put blame solely on MM. Why is that? Why is it out of the realm of possibility that they planned this as a family? Why is it so hard to believe that Harry doesn’t have a say in any of what is happening? Why are you choosing to infantise a grown man who has more world experience than probably all of us combined by saying his wife is controlling? What chip do you have on your shoulder for a complete stranger?

Um.. are you serious?
Yes, I am. If you read my post carefully, you would note the word, "anymore."
You're saying it's understandable and important that Meghan might want to be close to her mother (not her wider family, from whom she is estranged, although she's not appeared to have loved close to her mother for many years), and that may well be true, but they are now also effectively estranged (as far as we can tell) from all/most of Harry's family from now on. The last two Christmases are irrelevant.
Will the Queen and PP ever see Archie again? Will Prince Charles, actually? And of course, Meghan's own father has never even met him at all.

Meghan's own father hasn't met his daughter's husband, never mind their baby.

Defend that if you can.

yawn. been asked on other threads.
if you have to bring meghans father into it......

i have found the whole sexist blame the woman stuff a yawn fest.
of course PC will see his granson again. maybe the queen won't. she might not see W&K's kids again or any of her other great granchildren.
It depends on how long this all goes on for. at the moment windsor to anywhere is a impossible journey.

I do wonder if some of you are so blinkered that you are failing to see what MM is up to now

Sums it up. 'What MM is up to now'. That statement tells me everything I need to know.

She's up to something the devious horrible woman.

@ClapForCats and we know that how?
oh yes he went very public and sold his story......and yet she is blamed!!
you couldn't make it up.
and here is Mshadows

Will the Queen and PP ever see Archie again? Will Prince Charles, actually? And of course, Meghan's own father has never even met him at all.

Why wouldn’t they? They are still a part of the royal family. They didn’t abdicate, they stepped down as senior royals, big difference. They still hold their titles, paid for Frogmore and are renting it. Atm, none of the royals should or will be seeing each other anyway with the coronavirus as an ongoing issue.

Meghan’s father probably would have met Archie by now if he’d stop using and talking to the press despite being asked/told not too numerous times. Yet, is still doing so and bashing her on top of it. Her mother obviously can keep away from the press and has seen Archie.