Harry & Meghan what they’ll do next - Thread 2

[DandyAF]

Carrying on the conversation as the last thread finished mid-discussion.

The people I’ve spoken to about this don’t want Harry & Meghan back at all nor do they want to pay for them. They think that they have bit the hand that feeds them.

Will be interesting to see what their reception will be.

Another one who really doesn’t want them back, I’m also not sure the HM has as much influence as she thinks she does. After all Harry was the “golden boy,” the small child following mums coffin, but it hasn’t stopped the public being appalled over his recent behaviour.

The pair of them need to disappear!

I ageee. I’m sick of both of them. I wish they’d just disappear up their own fundaments. Close their Instagram, close their website, shut their
friends up and just disappear to live a quiet life. Pay off Frogmore and pay for their own security from their very considerable fortune.

I still like Meghan and Harry and would be happy to see them come back. I also don't have a problem with paying my 20p or whatever paltry sum it is for their security.

I would far rather pay for security for them than the likes of Blair and Cameron and yet the taxpayer it seems does still pay for security for ex Prime Ministers, their wives and children.

I don't blame Meghan for not bringing Archie. Why make a young baby suffer on a long flight? Maybe when they flew to Canada he suffered so they are not making him do it this time.

Delurking to say that I was quite positive towards them ( especially M because of suits) but not so much anymore.

The Wimbledon thing seemed odd. The house seemed like a lot of money. The Eco tourism brand assumes that you are in the long haul tourism market anyway, but I'm not so no views on that.

But the overseas security, I can't get my head round it. With so much in the uk, from school places to medical care to dla to university grants to benefits to care home fees, need is acknowledged through public funding but capped/ contribution assessed due to budgets. You can't just get what you want, where you want it because you want it. It would be life-changing for many people if you could.

You see, I think former Prime Ministers have attempted to do something useful - their salaries have never been massive (in comparison to FTSE 250 CEOs for example) and they were elected through democracy.

I still have no problem paying for Harry and Meghan but not because they’re useful or better than anyone else, I just don’t want them dead. I do want them to shut up and live happily in privacy off their £34m. I would also like them to stop doing flouncy statements about how “the Queen doesn’t own the word Royal, yeah” as well.

If Diana had had a PPO with her, they would have made sure she had her seat belt on and they would not have been drink driving. Obviously I would prefer they paid for their own but if they can’t, then I’d rather it got topped up by the taxpayer as opposed to the taxpayer coughing up for expensive royal funerals..

I agree with everything you said Five They need protection but they've become beyond irritating. They could have a fabulous life beyond the dreams of many people but apparently their life is a form of torture.

I still have no problem paying for Harry and Meghan but not because they’re useful or better than anyone else, I just don’t want them dead.

I don't want them dead either, but I feel the same about the many poor and disadvantaged people in the world who are living in daily fear of their lives. I'd rather the money was used for charitable humanitarian purposes to provide protection to those that genuinely need it.

I will be glad when they are gone. If they had given it 5 years and then said 'it's just not working for them' that would have been different. However, it was less than 2 years and quite a lot of that time was taken up with planning their escape, they hardly gave it a go.

I bloody do mind that I’m contributing to their overseas lifestyle security costs. To dismiss it as a paltry sum on a per taxpayer basis is a ludicrous and shameful bit of spin. Collectively it’s millions that comes from the same general pot as that used to find essential health provisions for all.

I think if Prince Andrew’s security is withdrawn as no longer a working royal then it will be harder to justify security for the Sussexes. IMO.

I may have missed this - but where does Andrew (as I call him) get his money from? I assume he was paid for his incredible worldwide trade mission, and has a navy pension (was he in the navy) - but aside from that does the Queen have to shell out for him now?

I think they all, Andrew included, have some independent fortune from grandparents inheritance etc

Andrew also probably made a lot of money throughout the years by introducing people that made deals. Source: The Windsors

Philip's parents had very little money did they? Would the Queen's father have left money to grandchildren who hadn't been born? (I have them in my will, my unborn grandchildren, not the royal ones). The Queen Mother had money problems, I thought?
I can see why Anne and Edward get money from Bank of Mum and Dad, but will Andrew?

I bet the Queen will pay for Andrew’s PPO - he pays for his daughters’.

It’s difficult because obviously there are people more deserving of taxpayers’ cash than the Sussexes or Prince Andrew. If the Queen sold Buckingham Palace to fund their security that might work? Though now I’m typing it, she doesn’t own BP does she. Sandringham wouldn’t buy much security.

They will both have to work then and we’ll see them endlessly. Sigh. Are we sure 20p each isn’t worth it just for the peace and quiet?!

I get the point though. Why the heck they can’t just live in Gloucestershire off their massive personal fortune with the same number of PPOs as Princess Anne I’ll never know.

The Queen Mother had money problems, I thought?

Not money problems as such. I think her estate was carefully planned to be in deficit so as not to attract punitive death taxes.

Everyone in the UK has to pay extra taxes in order to ensure Harry and Meghan wear their seatbelts at all times and don’t get in a car with a drunk driver? Wouldn’t that money be better spent on road safety in the UK. Have many of our own citizens die each year from RCAs? The Queen is very rich she can fund the Sussex’s.

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I don't care if the Sussexes moan and sigh about having to pay for their security as long as they DO pay it. And I don't think it is 20p each. It's £20,000,000 plus per annum.

The Queen Mother was a prolific spender. Her costs were enormous and she had a massive overdraft during her lifetime.

The Queen and John Major came to an agreement years before the QM died that the Queen or Royal Family would not pay inheritance tax on her mother's estate. Which was fortunate for them, as the estate was valued at around £50 million

This is a very interesting (and very old!) article about the QM's spending and how she knew the importance of putting on a public persona that masked the truth. Hmm.

Carry on Spending

I think at this current moment almost everyone ever is more deserving of taxpayers money but I do genuinely think they need some proper protection. The last senior royal to leave the family and who didn’t take the police protection offered, got a useless bodyguard and was killed in an accident that was totally avoidable.

I completely see other views on it - and I agree they don’t deserve it more than others - and let’s face it, Fergie’s very much alive! But based on fairly recent history, I would feel really quite sorry if they were got by a deranged stalker or a terrorist just because they resigned and had crap security of just a beefy threatening looking imbecile, kardashian style. They would be quite a feather in the ISIS cap. Fergie; not so much.

I do think they are making themselves more of a target by travelling a lot, everyone knowing where they live with one click of a DM link. And so no wonder their protection will be so expensive. Maybe this is how they force the issue.

That's a superb piece, Dandy; I love A. N. Wilson's writing but have never seen that one before

medium.com/@mandykloppers/is-meghan-markle-a-narcissist-b28051d58137

I like that article about the QM. I must try Dubonnet and Gin. And watch Dad’s Army with it.

I really don’t want to pay for the security. As another poster put it, that public money should go on the needy or other charitable causes. I thought there was some government petition to that effect? If so, I’d be keen to sign as think I’m not alone in the feeling. Just feels so unjust and classist especially given how much others are suffering.