Harry & Meghan what they’ll do next - Thread 2

[DandyAF]

Carrying on the conversation as the last thread finished mid-discussion.

Delurking just to agree that I don’t think that H&M realised that their actions could unleash the questioning of the entire existence of the monarchy and the constitutional crisis that could trigger. This is much bigger than them.

It also struck me as pretty ironic that they seemed unconcerned with UK laws around use of the word royal when it’s laws of the same country that make them Prince & Princess!

agree SussexRoyalTies.

I think RF did realise the scrutiny HaM decision would ignite regarding the monarchy hence requesting a detailed plan to discuss in private.

My DS asked me earlier if I think Harry and Meghan will attend Philip's funeral when it happens (DS has obsessions as part of his ways; royalty is a major one). I would think if any excuse is made for either of them not to attend any sympathy would, pardon the pun, die.

I wonder how the relationship with Prince Philip and Harry is right now. I know Philip has long been said to have refused to be in the same building as Fergie and I saw an article and comments about how he was seen in public for one of the only times recently departing from Sandringham just as Harry would have been arriving for his meeting in January to discuss leaving the RF.

Flybe collapses, over 2000 people going to be made redundant. Exeter Airport possibly collapsing as a result. But hey let’s pay £20 million a year for people who don’t want to live in our country.

Cuttingthegrass yes I think the RF were aware and therefore have been trying to contain the discussions, but H&M didn’t realise. The alternative is that they did realise and did it anyway which would be very self-destructive!

Well quite alliwant & who have a reported fortune of £30 million plus. It’s a huge sum of money but not huge enough for the company they keep. The company that fetes them because they are royal. Will be interesting to see what happens a year from now!

I’m sure that if H&M had gone about things very differently and compromised with a few patrons and appearances, it would have been agreed for them to have a largely independent and peaceful life away from full time public duty.

Yes, they'll find it's much harder work to be 'on' all the time as celebs, having to hustle to keep their profiles up and make money. There are very public expectations of the Royals of course but they also get a lot of privacy in/on their luxurious houses and country estates where the paps can't get to them in the same way. Plus they could have easily justified spending decent stretches of time in the US as giving Granny Doria the summer holidays with Archie and so on.

Flybe collapses, over 2000 people going to be made redundant. Exeter Airport possibly collapsing as a result. But hey let’s pay £20 million a year for people who don’t want to live in our country.

That was my feeling when I saw the news. It's localish to me and meets a specific need. I understand of course that weak businesses can't all be saved but there was a community benefit here. I don't see any benefit from spending public funds on giving reassurance to two (plus one) irrelevant individuals while they live a life of comfort and luxury in another country.

Sorry, I'm only just catching up on the thread so am paddling back upstream to the bit where people are wondering what "younger people" thought of the royal family.

I've got two DDs. The elder was 17 when W&K got married.

She was enchanted! Loved everything about it; thought it was like a fairy story*, even went to London with a friend and stayed with said friend's relatives so they could bag an early space on the Mall..

Came back effervescent about The. Best. Day EVER!

Fast forward to today when she and her husband have good jobs (thank you, deity) and are paying tax.

Far more realistic (may be called more cynical elsewhere).

Likes the pretty pictures and the fashion, but don't see it as anything different from other "slebs".

And that's the problem, imo. The royal family have existed up until now because of the ideas that they're special/different/god-given... whatever.

Now, people like my DD think: Anybody could do that! A relative of mine could marry a royal and therefore become royal.

Because that's how they present themselves. Diana was the first to give hugs and be less royal.
Which gave her kudos. And she worked that beautifully.

But they can't stick there. And have to get more familiar. So now we've got "Call Me (barefoot) Harry" and MM hugging people who try to curtsey...

It's fun to watch the pretty dresses and the ceremony.

Do I want to pay for it?

Nah.

Do I think they're special because of the uterus they grew in?

Nah.

I really do think this could be the first crack in the establishment of the monarchy.

*Well, it was really: "Whosoever the black see-through dress (showing my undies) fits, shall be My Bride!".

Forgot to mention that above "Nah"s were both DD's and mine.

Mine feel pretty much the same LaM. They were 13 and 11 when W&K got married, and they loved it all.

Now, these people are pretty irrelevant to them; and as penniless new grad and student, they don't want to be paying for HaM security when all the slebs they follow on insta etc are paying for their own.

Re Prince P: I think he is a man who can be vastly forgiving, but when you cross a line, that's it. I suspect HaM may have crossed his line.

I have to say the Cambridges look very happy in Ireland... they'll be home too late to go to tonight's do apparently.

They’ll probably just want to see their kids and have a quiet weekend.
We all know it’s going to be a circus when Meghan finally appears.

I’m at the edge of my seat

7 You’re right it’s quite odd that MM is supposedly back in the UK without there being any detail or photo about it.

fleas good to see you back
Yes the UK has a lot of localised problems going on.

For various reasons GB’s focus right now has to be local insular rather than international.

Inward rather than outward.

Yet here are British HRHs looking outward rather then inward.

And seemingly expecting us to finance it.

yes fizzy kick shoes off, pour bloody big drink, play with the kids.
me too 7!

Does anyone think the Queen and Prince Philip aren’t really together any more? He lives offsite and is always seen with Penny something or other who appears to be his real partner. Know this is quite tangential but also occurs to me when he is mentioned ... like it is the great unmentionable!

From what I read on here, he moved out of BP once he retired because it was so busy and he wanted peace and quiet. He spends his time painting, etc. and enjoys visits from other members of the RF.

Yes - he’s at Wood Farm at Sandringham I think, reading lots and living “normally” with fewer staff. I hope the Queen gets to do the same for at least half the time at 95, she deserves it.

I think when the last of the these engagements is over, M and H will jump on a plane back to their mansion feeling gleeful and free. A few months down the line it will be a different story I suspect. The clock will be ticking as the end of their first year looms. Then the RF will start playing hardball.
The grass is always greener, etc.

I think the Queen and PP are still together. They are just of a generation in that class where the male having a mistress/confidante/close friend is accepted behaviour.

Does anyone think the Queen and Prince Philip aren’t really together any more? He lives offsite and is always seen with Penny something or other who appears to be his real partner. Know this is quite tangential but also occurs to me when he is mentioned ... like it is the great unmentionable!

He has been with penny for a long time.
I’m sure we will hear about it once he passes. I hope out of respect to the Queen, the newspapers and biographers wait till the Queen has gone too, before anything is published.

Plus the British public will be baying for blood over paying for their security whilst M does adverts and H is hoiked around the country to speak of his grief and the damage inflicted on him by his nasty family.