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Harry and Meghan what they’ll do next

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PelicanPie · 26/02/2020 10:48

Let’s strive to keep on topic and not engage with posts designed to disrupt.

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CathyorClaire · 27/02/2020 21:27

On the subject of funding it's all gone very quiet on the repayment of taxpayer funds for the Frogmore refurb. What's the holdup?

DeRigueurMortis · 27/02/2020 21:40

I don't believe they ever committed to saying when they would pay for Frogmore - just that they would.

It's always been very open ended as far as I can recall.

Ritascornershop · 27/02/2020 21:50

If the Queen, or William and Kate do a tour in Canada, I’ll accept that we can chip in over here to cover security. But for two foreigners to pitch up here, do no work, live rent free ... why on earth am I paying a penny of tax $ for this? Canada did not invite them, they’re doing bugger all, and I’m a bit confused about why they are in my area. Toronto I could grasp, she lived there, but do they know no mystery millionaires w free pads in Toronto or California?

FizzyLimes · 27/02/2020 21:50

Not denying the Sussexes need protection; but they should commit to splitting the cost with the UK government.
If Andrew can pay for his daughters ( with what money; that’s a whole other conversation) The M&H should pay half. That would make them think more carefully about their travel.

To be honest; they’re probably at risk from people who are pissed off with them in general, as well as normal threats.
In the UK, the Royals tend to live in “clusters”. Kensington palace is highly protected; but there are also a load of embassies which are protected on the same private road.

DateLoaf · 27/02/2020 21:51

Our style of Monarchy really isn’t geared for supporting private members with celebrity global elite sort of lifestyles like the Sussexes seem to be hoping for. Surely when they do fully ‘step back’ they need to look at their own consumption of publicly funded resources as part of them being ethical people.

Since being a working royal in the family firm is a resignable job, it also seems odd to me that Prince Harry wouldn’t have also said he had plans to in future resign his place in the succession as part of the Jan 2020 agreement. Imagine how wierd it would be if years from now, if something terrible happened, Harry ended up getting the call to come back and be king, having been out of the royal loop for so long? How would that even work?

He couldn’t really come back as a king, having been a low key bloke on the charity fundraising dinner speaking circuit for the past few years because preferred that to doing the job of Prince?

It feels like that kingship would need to be the end of the monarchy wouldn’t it?
I think it would even feel a bit strange at first, if after the 12 months review he then wanted to pick back up on his Royal Prince duties again. It’s not like he’s been signed off on 12 months sick leave or he has asked for a sabbatical after all his years of service.
He has voluntarily resigned, which is his right and seemingly it has panned out quite acrimoniously too.

There just seem to be all sorts of complexities if it’s not treated in the medium to long term as an actual resignation. That said I think the year end review is sensible and I can see why it’s in both party’s interests at the moment to not want to make it officially a clean break.

rockingchaircandle · 27/02/2020 21:54

Fizzylimes

To be honest; they’re probably at risk from people who are pissed off with them in general, as well as normal threats.

Eh? What will the people they've 'pissed off in general' do? What's the risk?!

SussexRoyalTies · 27/02/2020 21:59

Best typo ever.

Harry and Meghan what they’ll do next
DeRigueurMortis · 27/02/2020 21:59

There just seem to be all sorts of complexities if it’s not treated in the medium to long term as an actual resignation. That said I think the year end review is sensible and I can see why it’s in both party’s interests at the moment to not want to make it officially a clean break.

Agreed but the only people who seem not to appreciate that are H&M.

I suspect the reason for this review period is to allow for the opportunity to dial down the emotions and allow the ramifications to sink in so H&M get fully understand reality of their situation as opposed to their ambitions.

It's also a good reason for the Palace to play hard ball now to ensure they are under no illusions about their future funding/status going forward.

The unknown is just how realistic their plans are for financial independence.

LaMarschallin · 27/02/2020 22:02

SussexRoyalTies

Best typo ever.
It was pretty good 😁

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/02/2020 22:03

@Encyclo

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11403544

LaMarschallin · 27/02/2020 22:05

Yikes!

I thought I'd put a nice smiley face there; I don't like that gurning thing at all!

Please imagine this: Smile instead after my last post.

ByGaslight · 27/02/2020 22:23

I can't resist adding my two penn'orth, if it's too long please scroll on to more exciting posts.

I am not a royalist but neither does the institution outrage me, I think having ceremonial heads of state means we can take a more lively critical view of politicians. The people of the UK could decide to abolish constitutional monarchy and have a different type of ceremonial head of state if they wanted. But while we have a royal family, they are not celebrities, or just wealthy people of interest, although these seem to be side effects, the Queen is the embodiment of the British state, our state.

She is entirely constrained, as are all the royals, by that contract. The deal is, as a Mirror journalist put it recently, they turn out in all weathers to visit factories in Yorkshire or meet flooded-out people in Wales and represent Britain by getting the best china out at state events and we, in our turn, let them live in the palaces and don’t have a revolution. The Queen gets to approve prime-ministers and laws are enacted on her behalf but like her head on the coins it is purely symbolic, she doesn’t have any actual personal say – these are duties and the hierarchies and protocols are all about the role of the royal family as symbolic of the British state and nothing to do with the dramas created by celebrities to publicise themselves.

The royal family are not – or should not be - required to be ‘relatable’ and they don’t get to define their own careers, or their relationship with the British people who fund them via the state. However, since Diana, there has been a creeping celebritisation of the royals, a personalisation of them which is part of a wider pattern, so they are caught between demands to be regal in the formal sense, to be above the hurly-burly, but also to be ‘authentic’ and have personal ‘journeys’ and to emote about it all and break down the barriers to their ‘private’ selves.

This is how the global celebrity economy works and it would be no surprise if a U.S. entertainment industry figure like Meghan Markle and many of her supporters would assume that the royal family live like a cross between media celebrities and the global wealthy / aristocracy, with the ability to monetise their lifestyles, no surprise either that younger royals would like that to be true. But other celebs are actually private citizens, no matter how famous, the royals are not. I have sympathy for the argument that it is a strange life, and if royal family members wanted to live a different life, either as quiet ‘non-working’ family members, sharing their parents’ money, or as genuine private citizens, that would have to be negotiated, we can’t force them to do it. But they can’t decide for themselves that they will be some kind of independent royals, overseas-based representatives of the British state. As royals, they can't operate like ‘personalities’, or entertainers, or campaigners, or influencers or inspirations or anything else and they shouldn’t be required to be like those figures.

Royal status is only about representing the British state while the institution lasts, that’s the deal. Two worlds colliding badly here.

DandyAF · 27/02/2020 22:31

Brilliant post @ByGaslight

Totally nailed the crux of it, that they can’t decide for themselves to be a quasi “independent royal”.

They’re either royal and dependent, or they’re independent and non-royal.

CanIHaveATiaraPlease · 27/02/2020 22:31

Very interesting analysis ByGaslight

FizzyLimes · 27/02/2020 22:35

Great points @DateLoaf and @ByGaslight

Once the dust has settled in less than 12 months time.
The stark choice for Harry is; does he cède his place in the line of succession and become fully private. (The Princess Margaret option; where she dumped Group Captain Peter Townsend; as she realised she quite enjoyed the perks of being a princess)

That question has not as yet been raised; but He can’t go on indefinitely being protected by the UK taxpayer and give nothing back.
I’d be interested to see how long these fee paying gigs actually pan out for.
Bob Iger of Disney has already stepped down / been sacked because of that shameless Disney pitch. Who exactly do the Sussexes appeal to?

DeRigueurMortis · 27/02/2020 22:39

Very good post Gaslight

I think there has absolutely been a misjudgment about the nature of royalty vs celebrity.

One represents first and foremost an institution on behalf of a country the other represents their own personal aspirations/ambitions.

DandyAF · 27/02/2020 22:48

I didn’t know that about Bob Iger @FizzyLimes !
Was it recent? Tbh I felt a bit sorry for him, he was put in quite the position.

HarryDaylight · 27/02/2020 22:51

Thank you ByGaslight for your thoughtful and perceptive post. You've summed it up perfectly.

Encyclo · 27/02/2020 22:51

*@Encyclo

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11403544*
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Thanks Puzzled.*

That's some top drawer cheekyfuckery right there.

PelicanPie · 27/02/2020 22:52

Excellent post gaslight
This could all have been foreseen from the beginning really. I suspect William did forsee it.

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FizzyLimes · 27/02/2020 22:53

@DandyAF

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51643876

He’s 69 years old, so perhaps it’s a simple retirement.
Unfortunate timing however; with the Optics of the Lion King pitch

Rainbows8117 · 27/02/2020 22:58

Would the Queen have actually been involved with the energy bills for the palace, or would someone on the palace staff have just enquired about it? It was ill judged though for sure!

DandyAF · 27/02/2020 23:00

Thanks Fizzy. It does sound like a simple retirement given he’s going to be on board until 2021. I see he wrote a memoir some years ago about what he’s learnt while being Disney CEO. I wonder if he’ll be writing a Volume ll, if he does you can bet there’ll be a Lion King anecdote in there.

Notwiththeseknees · 27/02/2020 23:06

Perhaps Bob has resigned from Disney to set up with Markle Enterprises?

Rainbows8117 · 27/02/2020 23:06

I suspect the reason for this review period is to allow for the opportunity to dial down the emotions and allow the ramifications to sink in so H&M get fully understand reality of their situation as opposed to their ambitions.

It makes you wonder why they didn't just step back for a year, take an extended break, enjoy Archie whilst he's still so young and they are still relatively newly married, consider all the pros and cons of stepping away from Royal duty, consider all the implications of being financially independent and living outside the UK, they could have collaborated with the Queen over the finer long term details of how they want to live their lives whilst not compromising the Monarchy. Then make a joint, coherent announcement with the palace about what was happening and when.

I still can't understand why it's been so poorly executed, and why there are still so many unanswered questions.

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