Harry and Meghan (15)

[Froq]

No harm in having it ready for the next event/announcement...

I agree that there is probably a more serious MH issue going in that hadn’t been spelt out. Maybe not the best thing to leave your country, your family and what passes for a job and enter a no mans land where you are wholly dependent on your wife in every way .

You exaggerate and twist things to make posters look bad

This did make me smile as it seems a good description of how these threads have treated Meghan and her family. I think you've done this against other posters too. Overall, we're not going to agree though.

And also, following on from my point above, there are no actresses (or indeed actors) that I know of in those soaps - which were watched by millions - who came in as an unknown and went on to become well known Hollywood stars.

Ooh hello! I lost these threads a while back.

Has anyone seen this?

It’s a shame rocking that you have resumed the haranguing tone.

Again, rocking, if you're going to make statements you need to back them up, as I have done.

I have pointed out peridito is doing the same and the evidence is there that he/she is.

Again, when you can't back things up you fall back on saying we're not going to agree/we disagree.

If you post, don't twist things (there's a difference between actresses have best before dates and women having best before dates), or exaggerate ("common ways" of criticising women when there really isn't when added up - the extent this is done to the extent you imply isn't there).

Same with the News Guard info you talked about regarding the DM, implying anyone that reads it is being sold fake news, which someone else checked and was wrong - you haven't mentioned this conveniently.

Yes, Nikhedonia. Posted a page earlier.

They have denied using the company but the company still has the advert up.

This has now become the ‘Argue amongst yourselves until everyone leaves’ thread though.

rocking: "This did make me smile"

You're patronising too.

rocking: "I think you've done this against other posters too."

No, only peridito, who got caught out by me and others for stirring.

Again, you exaggerate - you mention other posters, as if more than one, to make me look bad. Stirring. Be more accurate in what you say, please.

Peredito you have used, as evidence to support yourself, a phrase I wrote about painting a whole nation as hateful not being rational.

This was aimed at a previous poster who had written the Sussexes were right to get out of the hateful UK or some such. A few posters have taken this tack but I only got round to picking one instance up in the threads. I stand by what I said.

I was not in that post commenting on either of the Sussexes.

I object to you putting my post in that light actually. Very misleading.

@Nikhedonia I think someone also mentioned it upthread as it's in the DM (read it online, I know, shoot me now).

I think the significance of the story is not that the Sussexes are planning to work with this outfit, but that they are being seen as a monetising target themselves. The Kardashian's people are clearly inviting interest so they can make a compelling pitch to the Sussexes for their business.

The sharks are circling.

Agree with points made above about Meghans acting career. It consisted of a part on a third rate show whichI agree is misogynistic. She’s not a serious actress who can be compared in any way with Meryl Streep. The industry is notoriously ageist. She is nearly forty and with only one real acting job under her belt, aside from ads and appearing on a game show, she is not going to become a serious actress now. Or it’s highly unlikely. The way they will make money is by trading off their Royal connection, endorsing perfumes etc and appearing on chat shows. There will be no interest in these chat shows unless they are washing their dirty linen.
What Harry does, God only knows. If they have a nanny he isn’t needed for childcare duties. He will be obsolete.

@froq did you see my comment to you on the previous page? I was taking on board what you said about people on here arguing and trying to get back to the discussion

@Nikhedonia I saw the comment about it a page or two ago but hasn’t seen the actual post. That’s quite shocking. I’m assuming there’s some legitimacy to it as the company itself posted it. I think probably a(nother) attempt time test the waters. Other people or organisations post things, which gives M&H deniable plausibility if it’s not well received.

This has now become the ‘Argue amongst yourselves until everyone leaves’ thread though.

This happened on the previous thread and in the end descended into a whinge between a few posters who, despite complaining the thread was an echo chamber, ironically ended up with one of their own. Let's try and avoid that happening again. All views welcome here.

So if they are listed as royals for rent without their consent, shouldn’t there be a lawsuit?

FelicityFebruary - I didn't count your comment as being evidence used by peridito. She twisted "evidence" to her advantage.

I think it's me that used 'best before date' in terms of actresses. It may not be a 'nice' phrase, but is absolutely true. I cba to google but you will find hundreds if not thousands of actresses saying the same or similar in interviews.

It is misogyny in the industry that is at fault, not individual posters on here who have pointed out that for M, nearing 40, realistically her chances of getting bigger and better roles were becoming limited.

Maybe she just wanted to settle down, marry, have a baby and live a quiet life - but she didnt choose that. She chose to marry one of the most famous men in the world, to 'hit the ground running', to initiate change by using their profile for the greater good (which is fine in itself, worthy even).

I'm getting pissed off by being told that we are talking about the situation because we are misogynists, racists, stupid enough to believe everything we read in the papers etc and need to be policed by people with far greater moral rectitude.

I'm interested in the situation because it is a human life story, and also because of the repercussions on the RF. So sue me!

Some of you have a real downer on her - why? What has she done wrong? Some are even posting about when their marriage will end .

Perhaps they will have a tv/media role - so what - it’s up to them now how they earn their living.

My guess is that their decision isn’t news to the RF but that it was discussed as soon as they planned their wedding.

@annielouise I've not liked your tone at all, but I've born with it. I also haven't found you very reflective, you seem very defensive. If you post, don't twist things - I haven't! Again, I've refuted these points previously.

I don't think there is anything wrong with my tone. Labelling it 'haranguing' etc feels dismissive. I'm still trying to be as polite as possible when disagreeing, but I do have the right to disagree.

Some of you have a real downer on her - why? What has she done wrong? Some are even posting about when their marriage will end .

see 'greater moral rectitude' above...

This has now become the ‘Argue amongst yourselves until everyone leaves’ thread though

Oh dear,

And as the ‘ad’ was up and reported on, behind the scenes the company may have responses from interested parties. These could be taken to M&H either because M&H secretly approved the IG post being posted, or, as fleas says, as a pitch. Who knows what the truth is. But regardless, I do think they’re now in a vulnerable position publicity wise.

Lol, if they revealed their hand before the wedding no way the Queen would have approved 20mil.

yolofish - I don’t understand your comment. I ask a question?

@WendyMoiraAngelaDarling and @annielouise

cast aspersions and labelled us as racists righteo ,not hating

, which she has, they both have, where ?

whole country being painted as hateful, righteo ,no suggestion of hating

My mistake I thought it was a common theme ,I'm glad to stand corrected and learn that it's such a tiny minority with these views .I might have been mislead by posts not actually using the word "hate" but expressing the same view and by all those that agreed .

I'll leave it there .It derails the thread and it's boring for others who don't want a back and forth of "but you said " and nit pick about "hate" v "painted as hateful"