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Prince Andrew 'fails to cooperate' with FBI

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CathyorClaire · 27/01/2020 18:50

www.thesun.co.uk/news/10832298/prince-andrew-provides-zero-cooperation-after-fbi-ask-to-interview-him-over-epstein-links/

No surprise there, then.

Do we think he'll hold out for the threatened subpoena or will the renewed public spotlight mean he jumps before he's pushed?

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LittleSweet · 06/02/2020 19:57

Now there's a witness who can place him at Tramp.
Also I can't believe that town halls have been told to fly flags for his birthday. Although he's been such a naughty boy his mum cancelled his birthday party!

DuncinToffee · 07/02/2020 08:36

Meanwhile, the government has said it would be advising local councils that there is no requirement to fly the Union flag on the the duke's birthday, following his decision to step back from public duties.
Downing Street said the matter was looked into after critics branded the celebration "crass and offensive".
But it has been confirmed that the bells of Westminster Abbey will still ring out in celebration.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51409732

No word about him co-operating with the FBI investigation.

Mimishimi · 07/02/2020 09:50

I am a bit dubious about the trafficking aspect to be honest.

sashh · 07/02/2020 10:16

I will never understand why there has been so much fuss over Harry & Meghan when this is by far the more shocking story.

I'm fairly sure H and M's timing has been influenced by this. Royals usually have 'engagements' booked a year or two in advance, Harry had only one.

I think they wanted to step down but were encouraged to do it the way they did as a smoke screen.

PA hasn’t done anything illegal (she was over the age of consent) and even if he did know the girl was trafficked, there will never be the evidence to convict him.

She wasn't over the age of consent in the US, which is what the FBI are investigating.

They are also investigating other girls who trafficked to Epstein's island, reports being that they were young teenagers and that PA visited a number of times.

Sex with a trafficked person is rape.

AspergersMum · 07/02/2020 14:13

Mimishimi and anyone else interested in the trafficking aspect. A Walk Across the Sun by Corban Addison is a must read. He really researched it and it is truly shocking how common trafficking is, even from country to country. Girls with unsupportive home lives are easy targets and are literally shipped around the US and Canada, "servicing" events like the Super Bowl or big tech events and motorway stations. I was shocked on a holiday to the States to see posters in motorway station toilets for trafficked girls, how to help them get away.

sashh · 07/02/2020 17:05

I am a bit dubious about the trafficking aspect to be honest.

Why? Do millionaires normally hang around with high school girls? Fly them to exotic places? Just out of the goodness of their hearts? On a plane nicknamed 'the lolita express'?

thisenglishlife · 07/02/2020 18:37

I am a bit dubious about the trafficking aspect to be honest.

The victims will continue to suffer with attitudes like this, so many people don't believe them or don't care.

Tootreeticki · 08/02/2020 21:58

Twenty years ago Andrew was recently divorced under really humiliating circumstances, trying to hold together a stable family unit for his daughters despite the circumstances (probably quietly determined NOT to repeat the war of the Waleses - we still see how that damaged Harry and William), staying friends with Sarah despite her being a pretty loose cannon. That must have meant swallowing a lot of ego.

So he has flings (none of which have ever been inaproppriately aged as far as they have been named or rumoured), he seems on good terms with all of his exes, apparently is better at being friends with women than with men. Nothing I have read about him over the years has had rung any abuse bells.

His daughters come across as sane, discreet, good tempered, well educated, intelligent, kind. Clearly love both their parents through thick and thin. Contrast that with the Wales houshold again... Those two women will be his legacy and save the monarchy's bacon when Charles's shrunken royal firm has shrunk far faster than was bargained for. I hope Charles has the good sense to be grateful, and also has the good sense to treat them well. Look how everything he gave Harry and Meghan has been thrown back in his face (and the Queen's!). All that writing about how Andrew wanted the "blood princesses" to have roles. Maybe he had a hunch about Harry and knows his daughters?

Andrew's personal weakness seems to be pomposity and money, not sex. Rich friends, freebies, business (would probably have loved to have had the option Harry has blackmailed out of the Queen), but was a generation too early for that. He seems a practical person, not a socially adept person. You must have abilities to flyin, and survive a war. He certainly has had poor or no media training. It would not have been too difficult to learn a few suitably compassionate lines regarding Epsteins victims. Andrew probably thought it was self evident that he felt terrible for them, but of course it wasn't to modern people if you will use language straight out of some thirties bad novel...

Regarding his explanations: I believe him regarding the no sweat situation (I have several family members who do not sweat or hardly sweats). The Queen apparently doesn't sweat either. There might well have been medical issues around it and some half arsed guesswork reason given with no understanding of it being picked apart thirty years later. I also believe that Pizza express can seem exotic enough to remember "do you remember, it was xxxx party at that pizza place", they must have been combing through old diaries trying to piece together where he was on all relevant days. Of course he could have driven anywhere in the night, but I am inclined to believe him. I do not think he would lie about his daughters lives when his daughters are old enough to challenge him (privately).

Witness at Tramp... he doesn't deny ever being at Tramp, he denies being there a particular night. The witness probably does remember him, but is mistaken about his "company". I remember seing Diana's brother with some young girls at around then, I recognized him, saw the girls, but no way could I remember exactly what they looked like if you challenged me today...

The photo with Virginia... who remembers what photos you have posed for with friends of friends twenty years ago... especially if you meet new people every day of your life...

Epstein... Andrew probably had the hots for Ghislaine, Ghislaine had the hots for Epstein and saw Andrew as the intro. Andrew probably LOVED the temporary escape from formal royal life, (like Harry now), the for him new people in a completely different setting to what he was used to. He probably did close his eyes to questions he should have asked, and that was his main mistake which he is living with now. He was blinded by the access to new interesting people in very comfortable settings away from boring home. That was his mistake. On top of that he is pompous, conservative and not particularly intuitive. But I do not think he is a crook.

The Epstein cases are now full of ambitious lawyers, dissapointed victims, probably a few opportunist "victims", authorities with who knows what career agendas brewing... they realise that bringing up Andrew on a regular basis is reliable and easy publicity... I am absolutelu sure there has never been any question of Andrew not cooperating with proper authorities through proper channels. But only a fool would get involved in any of the agendas floating around the civil cases. I hope he stays well out of those. There the goal at this point is just to fight over the spoils of the Epstein estate. Must be a lot of lawyers counting on large fees from settlements...

That Virginia is clearly very damaged but I don't think Andrew is the crook there. If her story about being shared out was true there should be a lot more names on the grill now, and there aren't.

So no, I do not think prince Andrew is any type of predator. I think he was a bit vulnerable and picked his friends badly and is now living to regret that. Hopefully much wiser by the time all the legal bits have eventually been settled.

Menawhile his daughters who have been through endless sniping and bullying might end up bailing out the family (all that petty griping that Eugenie's wedding was too expensive and big and ooooo BBC turned it down). While golden boy Harry with the even bigger wedding and who has been given pretty much anything ended up throwing everything back in the face of the Queen and his own father, like a baby throwing the tous out of a pram....

I have a lot of appreciation for how the York princesses have turned out in comparison and I do not think that would have happened if their father was as terrible as media now loves to portray him. AND he's on good terms with a truly messy ex (who by all accounts is a nice person, even when a mess).

Tootreeticki · 08/02/2020 22:04

Sorry for all the typos, typing on my phone. So annoying.

AspergersMum · 09/02/2020 08:40

He's scum. And Epstein's trafficking rings are no different than the grooming gangs in Rotherham. He was just richer with more powerful friends. Those poor girls. I hope they get justice in this lifetime.

Mimishimi · 09/02/2020 10:38

Aspbergersmum I know trafficking is a huge issue. I meant in this case, I am not sure that they were kidnapped/held against their will etc.

Mamia15 · 11/02/2020 07:35

Mimi - You don't have to be kidnapped to be trafficked

SamanthaBrique · 15/02/2020 20:30

Well well, another friend of Andrew's turns out to be a dodgy pervert.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/15/fashion-executive-accused-in-lawsuit-reportedly-hosted-prince-andrew-at-bahamas-estate

Tootreeticki · 15/02/2020 22:15

That Canadian businessman has Finnish roots and at one point was in the Finnish media quite a bit. He wasn't considered controversial around the time of Andrew's and the Greek crown prince couple's (in the photos) visit. A bit excentric possibly (although anyone even mildly extrovert is also considered excentric in Finland). At that time the press around him here was pretty positive. Later on it seems he has developed quarrels in every direction, suing and being sued if one is to believe the media over the years.

Hardly the fault of any of his guests though.

AspergersMum · 16/02/2020 07:50

Shocking article about the friend of PA. The denial also sounds familiar. I hope that every single girl gets justice in every single case like this. The rich have hidden behind their money and power for way too long.

yolofish · 16/02/2020 10:40

PA doesnt seem that clever at choosing his friends...

DandyAndFine · 16/02/2020 10:48

...or quite clever if one’s intention is to fraternise with like-minded individuals...

I read a twitter thread the other day about Prince Andrew and others’ links with Outward Bound, where historic child abuse took place. It was edifying. And chilling.

Yehdivvy · 26/02/2020 07:09

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51634774

Peter Nygaard, the Finnish-Canadian multimillionaire, who has been linked to Prince Andrew, has been the subject of an investigation by the child exploitation FBI task force and New York police for the last five months.

CathyorClaire · 26/02/2020 21:20

Just a quick google of Outward Bound and child abuse brings up some horrifying links including Jimmy Savile once again hobnobbing with senior royals. This repetitive theme has been seriously underplayed IMO.

Could the Nygaard link be coincidence? Just about blagging yet another royal freebie? No doubt the man who doesn't sweat would have us believe it.

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yolofish · 07/03/2020 09:18

According to the Torygraph this morning PA now has a shit hot legal team in place.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2020 20:39

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/mar/09/prince-andrew-will-not-voluntarily-cooperate-epstein-investigation-lawyer-sayss

the Manhattan US attorney Geoffrey Berman said:

“Contrary to Prince Andrew’s very public offer to cooperate with our investigation into Epstein’s co-conspirators, an offer that was conveyed via press release,

Prince Andrew has now completely shut the door on voluntary cooperation

and our office is considering its options.”

Noodlenosefraggle · 09/03/2020 21:47

I believe him regarding the no sweat situation (I have several family members who do not sweat or hardly sweats).
there are pictures of him around that time sweating profusely! It was a half arsed excuse and a contrived way of reminding people he was a war hero. Even if he isn't a sex predator, it was crystal clear that he couldn't care less why there were girls the age of his daughters being passed around his mates at parties and he couldn't care less that his mate was a convicted sex offender.

CathyorClaire · 10/03/2020 11:01

Well, well, well. Not only has he not unsurprisingly closed the door on voluntary co-operation with the US authorities, he's also hired shit hot extradition expert Clare Montgomery.

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Roussette · 10/03/2020 16:20

What gets me is... in that interview he says emphatically that he will co-operate with the US justice system. Load of old cobblers that was...

CathyorClaire · 10/03/2020 18:28

I think he was under the impression he could come out with any old toss and the plebs would lap it up and leave him alone just as they should.

I'd imagine this legal team are costing mummy a pretty penny.

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