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Prince Andrew 'fails to cooperate' with FBI

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CathyorClaire · 27/01/2020 18:50

www.thesun.co.uk/news/10832298/prince-andrew-provides-zero-cooperation-after-fbi-ask-to-interview-him-over-epstein-links/

No surprise there, then.

Do we think he'll hold out for the threatened subpoena or will the renewed public spotlight mean he jumps before he's pushed?

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LisBethSalander07 · 28/01/2020 10:06

I don't think it is fair to blame the Queen.

She's in her 90s. And has a very frail husband.

He's her son. She was never going to throw him to the wolves.

I'm not saying it's right for one second, but his behaviour is not on her.

JuanSheetIsPlenty · 28/01/2020 10:08

Oh and the other one that always gets thrown out- “she’s clearly just after money.”

Strategicchoring · 28/01/2020 10:43

I can't believe people are defending him or talking about witch hunts.

The whole point about child exploitation, and why it still thrives, whether it takes place in Rotherham or in Cannes, is that people stand by and do nothing.

Strategicchoring · 28/01/2020 10:50

I don't think it is fair to blame the Queen.

She's in her 90s. And has a very frail husband.

He's her son. She was never going to throw him to the wolves.

I'm not saying it's right for one second, but his behaviour is not on her.

I'm not so sure about this unfortunately. Obviously, one feels for her on a personal level. It must be awful dealing with this at her age.

But she is more than a private individual, she represents the Monarchy and as such, by publicly defending PA, she is protecting the institution rather than the victims. Speaking as a Catholic that is what happened in our church and consequently, I doubt it will ever recover its credibility.

UYScuti · 28/01/2020 10:55

Not that I wish to defend the queen, but was there any good way to handle this clusterfuck?

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JeansNTees · 28/01/2020 11:01

I naively thought that the RF was somewhat careful about who they mingled with. Yes QE is now 93, which would have made her around 73 when her son started meeting with Epstein if PA is to be believed on that fact. But then again Jimmy Savile etc etc etc so they aren't so careful. Makes a complete joke of the vetting that happens when allowing non-royals to marry into the family; guess it is just the women who have to be chaste.

UYScuti · 28/01/2020 11:07

If you're a Predator, a hunter of people then bagging, owning, seducing the royal family, well that's like bringing down a white rhino isn't it.
One can see why the ambitious predators saw them as such a glittering prize, if you've got dirt on them, if you got them in your pocket, that gives you a lot of power

ThePluckOfTheCoward · 28/01/2020 11:08

Well, when Anne Sacoolas is returned to the UK to face justice for manslaughter, then we talk about Prince Andrew, until then the USA and particularly Trump can go fuck themselves.

AhhhHereItGoes · 28/01/2020 11:27

I'm not surprised.

Different age, same issue.

Strategicchoring · 28/01/2020 11:44

PA and AS should each be dealt with on their own individual terms. One shouldn't depend on the other.

And although PA hasn't been accused of actual rape or actual paedophilia, surely even he with his limited intellect had some grasp that his presence would lend an air of respectability and prestige to a party where underage girls were being exploited.

Again, perpetrators of sexual exploitation depend on witnesses and victims remaining silent. Or, as with many victims of the Rotherham case, they demanded silence through intimidation. PA allowed himself to be used as a "respectability blanket" in return for financial assistance, flattery, or other more dubious perks. For those reasons, he should do everything he can to assist the FBI.

And remember that in 2010 PA willingly returned to stay for four days in the NY home of JE who had pleaded guilty to sexually abusing a 14 yr old in 2008 in a case brought by the girl's parents, which according to the following quote from Wikipedia was just the tip of a very large iceberg:

Quote from Wikipedia
"In 2005, police in Palm Beach, Florida, began investigating Epstein after a parent complained that he had sexually abused her 14-year-old daughter.[6] Epstein pleaded guilty and was convicted in 2008 by a Florida state court of procuring an underage girl for prostitution and of soliciting a prostitute.[7] He served almost 13 months in custody, but with extensive work release. He was convicted of only these two crimes as part of a plea deal; federal officials had in fact identified 36 girls, some as young as 14 years old, whom Epstein had sexually abused.[8][9]"

doritosdip · 28/01/2020 11:47

This is a much bigger deal than Thomas Markle's eagerness to take down his dd in the court room (which will lead to further interviews)

I'm not surprised

user1477391263 · 28/01/2020 11:54

Andrew was a Prince and a war hero. Young women were falling all over him at that time. Why on earth do people think he was aware of any trafficking?

You mean, "he could have his pick of women, so surely he wouldn't bother having sex with a trafficked etc one?" Hmmm, in my experience, when men are very privileged and have a lot of women fawning all over them, it just makes them even more entitled and boorish in their behavior. They think they can have and should be allowed to have whatever they want, and they have a hard time believing that women really "mean it" when they say no.

I know a few people who have had dealings with Andrew. None of them have anything nice to say about him. Not one.

WeHaveSnowdrops · 28/01/2020 12:13

You mean, "he could have his pick of women, so surely he wouldn't bother having sex with a trafficked etc one?"

No I meant he was arrogant enough to expect it.

yolofish · 28/01/2020 12:28

Andrew's big problem has always been being the 'spare' to the throne, and because he's arrogant and entitled he demanded other perks/opportunities for not being the heir.

I think he's a piece of complete shit for all sorts of reasons; I think he has absolutely zero judgement - or if he has it's based on 'what's in it for me?'

Men like that expect to have sex on a plate, they cant imagine that someone would not actually want them. And then, they're there at the party, the eye candy is apparently willing... horrible.

I believe Virgina and the others.

MurrayTheMonk · 28/01/2020 12:37

It's incredible that there has been no public response to this by now...what are the palace/Prince Andrew thinking?

Is he really so arrogant that he thinks if he just says nothing it will all go away?

ssd · 28/01/2020 12:41

Andrew will be desperate for meghan to be photographed going to something, so it's all over the news and he can stay hidden for a bit longer.

cakeisalwaystheanswer · 28/01/2020 12:45

The DM ran a series on these pictures the other week, this is the only one I can find online, these photos really brought home to me just how young seventeen is. Virginia is clearly a child surrounded by adults. Anyone who spent time with Epstein in the company of Virginia or any other child of a similar age knowingly socialised with an abuser. To calim otherwise is just lying.

www.google.com/search?q=virginia+roberts&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ACYBGNTNXVTqXf8YIuTcdWFM4J2wKDnb-Q:1580215028120&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjaw63bp6bnAhVPURUIHYq4BjcQ_AUoAXoECBIQAw&biw=1920&bih=925#imgrc=znL9BwD5h2K17M:

Disfordarkchocolate · 28/01/2020 12:53

I think the Queen needs to separate her loyalty and love for Andrew as his mother and her obligations to the State to due her duty and uphold the rule of law.

No matter how hard this is he needs to cooperate with the American authorities. There is no way he wasn't aware of Epstein's activities, at the very least he will have been briefed by his advisors yet he chose to stay in contact with this man and legitimize his action.

littlemeitslyn · 28/01/2020 13:01

'Words fail me' obviously not

kirinm · 28/01/2020 13:09

She didn't mind throwing her Grandson to the wolves but anyway...

Are the FBI wanting to speak to him because they think he might be able to lead them to Maxwell who is MIA?

LittleSweet · 28/01/2020 13:31

The Queen was quite happy to 'throw' Harry 'to the wolves '. I was a royalist and loved the Queen until she made it clear she supported PA after how he behaved. I was abused as a 19 year old by my boyfriend, so I know how easy it is to be afraid and coerced into doing something you don't want to. I think it's no surprise that Harry and Meghan have left for Canada. I really don't blame them because PA is there at every family function. I also think it's appalling that PC and PW haven't publicly supported Harry. PC obviously supports the disgusting brother he has as they walked to church together. I also agree that many people are happy to support a rich, entitled man over a vulnerable, abused child.

DandyAndFine · 28/01/2020 14:08

Wrt my comment about child rape- it was my (possibly mistaken- although this was a point of discussion on previous threads) understanding that as a travelling American it was the age of consent in her home country that applied to her even when she was in the U.K.

@JuanSheetIsPlenty
Do you have legal opinions or sources - not previous MN posts - for your “possibly mistaken” view that it was her age of consent I. Her home country that applied? It would be lazy of you to say that without having researched it. It’s important to stick to the facts and the law here.

Well done on repeating your dig about people being more interesting in having a go at a WOC. Again, do you have actual evidence of this as opposed to emotive rhetoric? This is a thread about PA and his potentially criminal actions or knowledge as a witness. IMO it’s distasteful to use the topic to further a different agenda.

JuanSheetIsPlenty · 28/01/2020 14:11

Dandy I’ve clearly touched some sort of invisible nerve with you. We won’t agree on this thread. Let’s not derail it.

DandyAndFine · 28/01/2020 14:15

And I’ve just seen LittleSweet’s post also Using this to make a point about Harry & Meghan. They are different situations. This one involves actual vulnerable victims of crime, (a fact given Epstein’s convictions, regardless of whether that crime was perpetuated by PA or not). Can we please respect them by not implicitly comparing the situation to ones involving far less vulnerable people?

The Queen and PC can be criticised for supporting PA on its own grounds regardless of who else they have allegedly supported or not.