Prince Andrew 'fails to cooperate' with FBI

[CathyorClaire]

www.thesun.co.uk/news/10832298/prince-andrew-provides-zero-cooperation-after-fbi-ask-to-interview-him-over-epstein-links/

No surprise there, then.

Do we think he'll hold out for the threatened subpoena or will the renewed public spotlight mean he jumps before he's pushed?

I really feel Prince Andrew should be striped of his HRH title, made to payback public funds used for his trips away to visit convicted pedophiles. His past diary should be looked at with scrutiny and we the public should be paid back fully with speed.
Furthermore no public should be used by him or family-they should all get proper jobs and pay for their own homes at market value.
The way the Queen and Charles have handled this situation by supporting Andrew with constant pictures by his side is utterly shameful.
The victim has stated that she was trafficked in to be used and abused. 17 years old maybe above the legal age of consent but where is consent if a person is trafficked in?
Also this man stated on national tv that he would cooperate and that now has been exposed as a clear lie.
All the senior members of the Royal Family must be aware that Prince Andrew is not cooperating and they clearly standing united.
I guess they really believe that they are above the law and they can do as they please.
My heart goes out to all the young girls, used and abused, who are not getting the justice they deserve.
Utterly disgusting behaviour and goes to show what they all are like as people-vile!

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I'm staggered at the venom from some posters. Talk about over invested.

I have no time for PA but some are writing as though he's the devil incarnate. He hasn't broken any laws. The FBI haven't said he has.

Get a grip, people. Much worse is happening now not decades ago.

"The victim has stated that she was trafficked in to be used and abused. 17 years old maybe above the legal age of consent but where is consent if a person is trafficked in?"

That's a key question. Did PA have any reason to think she had been trafficked, or that she was under duress and her consent would therefore be flawed? Because I really doubt that the traffickers would have been pointing it out to him, she did not do so, and he comes across as so egotistical that it's all too believable that the possibility never occurred to him

I dont know why people are blaming his mother for this he is grown up enough to say no himself he did the interview himself without her permission 🤷‍♀️ I'm aware she can force him but many parents of child sex offenders defend their children seen it on my own family bloke has been arrested twice (charges dropped due to lack of evidence etc) mum still supports him because "he is her son"

If they'll send us Anne Sacoolas, we'll send them Prince Andrew.

Let's give him chance to co operate without the grandstanding of the FBI

He's clearly had a chance, this has been going on for months and months. The fbi have asked him before to co operate. As have, according to the media reports, the French authorities, where apparantely he is being accused by other women.

I also question how the queen has handled this, and I'm not sure if she is protecting Andrew because he is her son, or because of the damage he could do to the monarchy. Possibly both.

I strongly suspect his statement saying he would comply was because she insisted he say that. However like most people, I certainly didn't believe he would do so.

I agree with ChristmasCarcass too. I don't understand how PA and others present at Epstein's parties could fail to see what was happening as they claim, especially when you see pictures of the seventeen year old Virginia Roberts at various swanky locations around the world. After all she was too young to be fulfilling a professional role such as a personal maid or secretary? (Yes you might get a seventeen year old doing casual waitressing at a venue, but being flown around the world as part of someone's entourage? ) She was dressed in jeans and cheap t-shirts and must have stuck out like a thumb among the rich and famous. Did no one question her presence? There must have been a tacit understanding that she was being trafficked ... .

I know it's bordering on sacrilegious to criticize the Queen, but I think she has shown very poor judgement in giving public support to PA, whether he was attending a church service including an element of repentance or not. Of course it's her right to support her son in private, but why make such a public show of it? I think it suggests that she is totally out of step with issues such as consent and the exploitation of vulnerable women. It smacks of an age where everyone in the stately home turned a blind eye to the rape of a servant girl. People say The Queen has adapted to change but I can only remember instances when she was forced by circumstance to take a different path. Imho, her good qualities such as her stalwart nature and determination to carry on as if nothing is happening, are the very things that may ultimately lead to the monarchy's downfall unless urgent steps are taken to slim everything down and restore some decent values to the institution. Why should the populus look up to them if their values are dodgy and we keep hearing about tacky milk adverts and sponsorship by dubious members of the rich list, and that's without PA and his purported sexual exploitation of a seventeen year old.

Where people are saying he hasn't broken any laws, how do we know. We don't.

So while the purpose of the FBI push to speak with him is couched very much in terms of PA providing info regarding the dealings of Epstein it may well be that he did have knowledge of illegal activity or willingly participated.

The age of consent is only part of the issue. Having sexual with someone who is being coerced and forced into that position having been trafficked, which may or not be the case with PA, would be rape at the least, if not with some sort of charge for the trafficking element.

The point is we don't know and by not cooperating with the American authorities it looks to outsiders like he has more to hide. If he was certain his behaviour was within the law, albeit distasteful, I suspect he'd have more respect from the public for giving them all the info he has willingly and apologising for being a bit of an idiot.

But he's hiding. He's hiding rather than do that.

YY Anne S for Andrew. They both very much deserve to face justice and they are both very much protected against such justice happening. Disgusting.

If Andrew was not a royal not one person would be defending the ammoral lazy spoilt piece of shit.

Sadly untrue. People defend rapey men all the time. Even when the dogs on the street know they’re guilty.

Wrt my comment about child rape- it was my (possibly mistaken- although this was a point of discussion on previous threads) understanding that as a travelling American it was the age of consent in her home country that applied to her even when she was in the U.K.

My post was deleted so i’ll repost it without what I assume was the offending term.

People are much happier and eager to whip themselves up into a frenzy over the idea that a black woman has a say in her own marriage than confront a man, any man, for alleged rape

I watch too many true crime documentaries to have any trust or faith in the US justice system.

Andrew was a Prince and a war hero. Young women were falling all over him at that time. Why on earth do people think he was aware of any trafficking?

I dislike witch hunts whoever is the prey. Evidence is non-existent or very flimsy. I agree he should cooperate but some here are in the realms of fiction which doesn't make the case.

WeHaveSnowdrops

I dislike witch hunts whoever is the prey.

One thing that MN has achieved is to prove that to me.

Andrew has behaved disgracefully because he was/is arrogant and stupid, imo, and probably thought at that time that any woman/girl would be grateful to sleep with him.

I don't think he is accused of actual rape or actual paedophilia.

How many girls did he have sex with in Epstein's or Maxwell's homes? Less than ten? More than ten? It's a pretty simple question.

Let's try another. How many of those girls were under age? All of them? None of them? Don't know?

He must think we're all stupid.

Andy is being squeezed between the rock and the hard place, he will have dirt on some very important people, they're not going to like it if he squeals☹️
but if he doesn't he also looks really bad😲
Oh dear oh dear😟

not one person would be defending the ammoral lazy spoilt piece of shit

Is anyone defending him though? I’ve not come across anyone who follows this story, on this thread or IRL who thinks he’s anything other than a disgusting sleazebag.

His behaviour was utterly abhorrent. Whether he knew / didn’t know / chose to look in the other direction is really all speculation - I mean we really do not know for sure - but no decent man would have chosen to put himself in those situations, with those very young girls, in the company those horrific monsters Epstein and Maxwell.

Maybe I am being stupid but I am confused about whether or not he has broken any laws. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, no matter how vile the person. He has been accused by several women of sexual assault. Has VR accused him of rape? What does this actually mean in the eyes of the law? No charges have been brought against him - is this correct?

He must think we're all stupid
He doesn't have the brains to understand that we can all see through him, he thinks us peasants will just doff our caps and believe him because he's royal ..... I guess he doesn't realise that we have access to education, the internet etc🤭

Agreed. He is as thick as a plank.

I’ve not come across anyone who follows this story, on this thread or IRL who thinks he’s anything other than a disgusting sleazebag

Oh god, I have! People saying he was stitched up and it’s not his fault Epstein was a paedophile- because we can’t know everything our mates get up to.

I've read stories of his arrogance on here. I've said this before that surely there is an entity that works to protect the Crown. Wtf have they been doing? Or is he so arrogant that he listens to no one?