Harry and Meghan Resigning - HRH No More

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How will they react to this?

They haven’t done anything wrong!!

Who has actually done this nicely with no talent beyond ‘being meeeeeee’. You see the reality tv people desperate trying to be famous for not very much.

She isn't a producer or award winning actor (doesn't write or direct). She can’t make a fortune selling shots of herself doing yoga with polar bears it grilling burgers in the snow. She can’t even sell herself as a Martha Stewart or Paul Burrell ‘etiquette and how to live like a princess’ type guru.

If the stories are to be believed, they (or rather she - only because I assume he has been brought up not to piss off the staff) are difficult characters to work for - so celeb collaborations won’t be rolling in. They are the dog and the celebs are the tail. Not ideal for someone wanting to be in control of everything (are we really not allowed to know the sex or name of their dog?)

If you are a designer or whatever you’d consider the hassle and expense of working with someone who wants control and makes demands on how you design your clothes or perfume or tea towels. You can have The Sussex line of teabags or we can get LordPaw to say ‘yeah, looks fine to me, lovely thanks!’

They might write a biography (ghost written of course) and sell some of that.

You'd think people trying to live their own lifes and looking to work would get better press, but here we are, people are brawling for them to even remove the crown in their logo - what is your issue?

The issue is that "over here" the monarchy is far. far more than a family with a lot of palaces and a great collection of jewellery. It means something constitutionally and within the national psyche.

Most of us wouldn't want to be a member of the Royal family in a million years, because we see that it is a guilded cage. You can't earn money commercially and even charity work has to happen within strict perameters. Meghan didn't know or chose to ignore all those constraints - all the crap about modernising the monarchy single handedly, a "progressive role", "hitting the ground running". Then WHAM she came up against a 1000 year old instituition and wondered why it didn't roll over to do things her way.

I have no doubt that with Harry she was pushing against an open door in terms of stepping back from Royal life and that at this moment PH probably feels a sense of relief, but in a couple of years will he regret what he has lost and feel a loss of purpose, living Meghan's celebrity life? Because the manner in which this has been done is all about what she wants. PH could have stood back in a very different way to being more like Edward & Sophie or Zara Phillips. Now he has given up everything. I hope is love for Meghan is strong enough to survive this.

All the people they hope to emulate - the Clintons, Obamas and Clooneys - have talents that have made them famous. Harry’s talent was being born Royal but now he’s given that up. He was loved for being a “normal bloke” in the Royal Family. Meg is an actress but not A list. So she can earn a living with that. But Harry?? Quit as a Royal then milk it - some talent!! The trappings came with the position. As he’s given up the job he should give up the trappings too.

She’s been estranged from her family for years. She isn’t a 20 something with little world experience. She would have had the offer of staff and advisers around her to ease her into the role. I also assume she would have been told upfront what it would be like and what they expected of her. It’s amazing what you can kid yourself you can put up with ‘for luuuuuve’.

You may have got over your homesickness but I’ve got news for you - as you get older it can come back with a vengeance, especially when your relatives start to die off, family and friends scatter, childhood homes sold off and you start to miss your old life and familiar surroundings. Then you have no choice - nothing to go back for (its all changed anyway) and your kids and home are here. You don’t feel that you really belong but you don’t belong anywhere. This is what he is doing.

@ManilaVanilla I was living in my dh's country when I had my dcs. It was really hard. I had no friends and a difficult relationship with my ILs. I had to adjust to living in a different culture and was always doing the wrong thing according to my MIL. But I stuck it out because I accepted that was the choice I made and I wanted my marriage to be successful. So I some idea of how MM feels and I actually don't have sympathy because I don't think she's even tried to make things work.

What has he given up though? he has clearly found being a member of the RF uncomfortable and has never quite reconciled how his mother was treated.

Zara Phillips/Peter Phillips never had it to give up. I think Harry has always looked at their lifestyle and wanted to emulate it certainly for his children. He has wanted this for awhile I think because other than the military he has never had a sense of purpose.

Now in many ways he is no different from many other servicemen who has left who need to figure out their place in life outside of the structure. He is clearly prone to mental health issues and depression since he was young and I guess from his perspective the doors he wants to open such as the invicutus games are not going to stop now. He will still be Harry Duke of Sussex

The were never going to remove the Sussex duchy from them because that would have left them as Prince and Princess Henry

Despite the fact it’s not changing Meghan’s title to princess would have been viewed as a promotion from Duchess by many

They won’t be “Harry, Duke of Sussex” either. Just “The Duke of Sussex”. The Diana title comparisons the DM are frantically making are daft as there is no divorce.

Have to laugh at some of the comments on there (they’ve been posted on Twitter) statingvthat you “can’t be a Duke or Duchess without an HRH”... someone wants to let the Duke of Westminster know. He seems to do pretty well without it!

Imagine making all of those adjustments while estranged from your own family and adjusting to royal protocol all with a whole country’s press hounding you.
She wasn't estranged from her father prior to her marriage. She didn't treat him well. You don't, as a person who is well off, just send your father a pair of shoes and/or suit to come your wedding. You involve him. You invite him to the UK. You show him your home. You introduce him to your UK friends and your future in-laws and show him where you will get married.

Thomas Markle Jr said they'd had no falling major falling out but just hadn't seen each other because she had relocated to Toronto for her work on Suits.

I read an article staying the press were being kept further away at first to help Meghan as she was commencing royal duties. The press were very much on her side and were not hounding her. Her own behaviour ultimately brought criticism from the press.

If I suddenly started getting criticised by press who'd previously been very nice about me, I would be hurt but would analyse my behaviour and make adjustments. I wouldn't just go into a huff and want to leave. I'd stop talking Climate Change whilst taking private jets. I'd listen and heed what my advisers said. I wouldn't go to a poor country and then bleat on about myself to a journalist.

She brought it on herself. I hope she will now reflect on the situation before jumping straight in to whatever she is going to do next. Sadly, I don't think she will.

I don’t think M is just unhappy in the royal Family. I think an underlying issue is that she is unhappy in the marriage to Harry. I expect no more children and a divorce within 3 years - have to give it a bit of time to establish the money making “foundation”. I can’t see how both of them can come back for public events like Troooing the Colour. There’s a real risk they would be in an open topped carriage being loudly boo-ed which is awful PR

I am an American who has lived in Britain for 25 years. She has come across as exactly the sort of American who thinks she has a whole load of ideas if how things can be a bit better if they'd just take her advice. But can't understand- genuinely- why they wouldn't.

What would be wrong with Mr & Mrs Mountbatten-Windsor as titles? And maybe he could get a normal salaried job and live in a normal sized house? Then we might respect them. You can’t say you hate the attention and then want lots of attention as a way of making money! I think that’s what people find hypocritical.

If he wanted to step back from royal duties and have a more normal, private life then I think there would be lots of sympathy for him. Their current behaviour doesn't really suggest that though. Instagram updates with what amount to cliffhangers (stay tuned, new updates soon!), Meghan ensuring she's papped, inviting herself to places and then approving their pics, 'secret' visits to charities that later appear on Instagram, leaking stuff to the press via their proxies, touting for work whilst on official duties, ensuring maximum headlines by publicising a resignation with no warning.

How anybody still thinks this poor 'young' family just want in peace is beyond me.

It’s not like they couldn’t afford to get a good British PR company in (not a US one) who know the lay of the land and could advise her how best to play the game.

It could have worked rather nicely but it wouldn’t be all stars and celebs would it?

I'm happy for them. I wish them luck. Meghan is now A list. She can earn £3 million a film at least. Harry can bring up Archie, and not have to play second fiddle to anyone.

Have to laugh at some of the comments on there (they’ve been posted on Twitter) statingvthat you “can’t be a Duke or Duchess without an HRH”... someone wants to let the Duke of Westminster know. He seems to do pretty well without it!

Think the point is they can’t be a royal duke and Duchess so they will be addressed as Your Grace rather than Your Royal Highness. That will start to rankle with Harry PDQ; particularly when he realises that the much vaunted “real life” involving clearing up one’s own messes and paying your own bills in a new country cut off from your support network and hustling for work is not particularly easy. It will be a running sore and reminder. The HRH titles are important to them as their most recent statement on their naff website makes sure to use them. They will rinse the usage as much as possible til the end of the transition period

The updated statement on their website refers to the launch of their new charitable entity.

I presume this entity will be in the US. Charitable entities, or as we call them, charities, are set up for the benefit of others. Except in specific circumstances, founders can't benefit. And it certainly can't be the purpose for which they have been established.

Charles will apparently continue to bankroll them with over 2 million per year so I don't think Harry will be introduced to the concept of paying his own bills anytime soon.

She can earn £3 million a film at least assuming anyone will hire her.

Why are they pushing for voiceover work, specifically?

It’s not like they couldn’t afford to get a good British PR company in (not a US one) who know the lay of the land and could advise her how best to play the game.. They are not interested in what the UK population think. We are not their target market. It’s ttecUS. Don’t think Meghan has any intention of ever setting foot in this country again unless it personally suits her to do so. I think this has been dealt with in a personally very destructive way whether by accident or design. Perhaps to ensure their is no real chance if Harry returning easily.

It's sad they just want more money when they are both already wealthy then go to different charities and pretend to care if they are ok and thriving , then bill them for the privilege.

I predict that she already has a tv or film deal lined up.