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The cat killer isn't real???

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serbska · 20/09/2018 14:01

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45588088

Apparently the cat killer isn't real? How is this?

I thought that there was something secret about the killings that was common to all (so they could be ID) and being kept back form the public (to prevent copy cats).

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PingusPaws · 20/09/2018 16:40

Yes, reading between the lines,the BBC report and other news sources were clear, about why they closed the case

"We don't have any government money to invest this case, so it's closed"

It's a barbaric and ritual killing of cats that has gone on in the area, that makes me question why this was
"SOLVED"

WhenIWasAYoungWarthog · 20/09/2018 16:46

serbska I keep rabbits and that is exactly what foxes do. I had 6 rabbits, kept in pairs in different sheds around the garden. A fox managed to break into a shed a night for 3 nights - both rabbits in each shed had head cleanly taken off and the bodies were left completely intact. Two heads were taken and never found, the other heads just left in the sheds. I know this because I was convinced a person was breaking into my sheds so I set up a camera! I still don’t know how the fox got the actual door open, the film just showed the door opening, fox coming in and then ripping heads Sad

serbska · 20/09/2018 16:57

@WhenIWasAYoungWarthog I stand corrected then. Sorry to hear about your rabbits :-( Horrible thing to happen.

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WhenIWasAYoungWarthog · 20/09/2018 17:22

serbska I was really surprised too. I can see how they’d end up going into a killing frenzy in a chicken coop where there are loads of them. But there was no attempt to eat them at all. It seemed weird to go to all the effort of opening the shed door and not eat anything. I can understand domestic cats doing that to birds and mice as they’re programmed to kill but have already been fed. But I assumed foxes hunted because they were hungry.

theunsure · 20/09/2018 17:29

Anyone who lives rurally knows that foxes do not eat the whole animal and do not kill just for food. They kill for fun (as well to eat of course too) and I have seen them take animal parts.

I have lost several pets and chickens to foxes and have seen the damage they can cause. Foxes are a necessary evil as far as the countryside goes but a complete menace in urban areas.

I'm on the fence - I want to believe it is foxes rather than people - but it doesn't add up really.

Either way - any fox that comes onto our property gets shot!

What an awful lot of resource has been used on finding out very little though? I find that all very strange. But then we have probably just all been stirred up by the media. It;s hard to undo that sort of group think once it has started.

PingusPaws · 20/09/2018 17:38

Don't not justify the manic who killed your beautiful Cat

AsAProfessionalFekko · 20/09/2018 17:42

Sadly there will be copy cat killers (as happens when sickos kill ponies).

wafflyversatile · 20/09/2018 17:42

Not sure what I think about this. I'm sure foxes sometimes kill cats and the cats are found around the home because why wouldn't they be. I'm sure that some cats are killed by cars then the bodies moved to the side of the road, near the home. I'm sure that people sometimes kill cats for badness.

Whether this is a spate of cat killings carried out by one serial cat killer or if a couple of cats looked to have been killed by one or more people and then it became 'a thing' with every cat death around Croydon (then further afield) being attributed to one person and people seeing evidence that wasn't really there. I don't know if an unusually high number of cats have been killed. Suddenly people were paying attention and keeping count when they wouldn't have been before.

I guess we'll see in time. If SNARL keep investigating and getting experts to look into cat deaths maybe the picture will become clear. As long as they are looking at finding out how the cat died, rather than only looking for evidence it was a person who did it, and ignoring other evidence.

Catblues · 20/09/2018 17:46

We've had all our chickens killed by foxes - found them laid out in a neat row on the lawn decapitated. We never found the heads and there was no sign of a struggle etc. It was very disturbing. Apparently it's common for foxes to neatly bite the heads off and leave the bodies - if they are not interuppted they come back and bury the bodies to eat later...

BertrandRussell · 20/09/2018 17:53

It's all confirmation bias, maybe some creepy copy cat killers, active imaginations and mass hysteria.

rupertpenryswife · 20/09/2018 18:05

I posted on the other thread I found a cat and rabbit a few years ago in a communal area outside my flat in the south, both had been decapitated. I contacted the police who said it was a fox, I the contacted a local fox expert who said a fox would not attack a healthy cat as they are have teeth and claws and can cause a lot of damage, his opinion, foxes only go for injured cats.

I think human too I know police can only do so much but it's a worry to think where this might go.

serbska · 20/09/2018 18:08

contacted a local fox expert who said a fox would not attack a healthy cat

I think the police were saying that the cats probably die from being hit by a car, then the foxed come along later and decapitate the body. Rather than the fox doing the actual killing.

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DaisyDreaming · 20/09/2018 18:15

I can’t decide if it’s a money thing or a psychological ploy to coax the killer out of hiding but don’t for a second think it’s foxes

DaisyDreaming · 20/09/2018 18:19

Makeorbreak, is that a joke or is there really haribo involved? I can’t imagine how but they kept saying there was something they were keeping private as the calling card for want of a better word

rupertpenryswife · 20/09/2018 18:23

Sorry that's what I was saying there was no evidence of road accidents, the body of the animals were intact just missing a head, there was no other evidence to suggest a fox may have bitten them or that they had been hit by a car, the heads honestly looked cleanly removed.

I'm sure some could be attributed by foxes but not all. I don't buy it at all.

rupertpenryswife · 20/09/2018 18:25

This is why o now keep my cat indoors I know som disagree with indoor cats but this is awful.

HeadsDownThumbsUpEveryone · 20/09/2018 18:28

foxes only go for injured cats.

This makes me wonder because the chances of all these cats being hit by cars and then being beheaded by a fox has got to be vanishing small surely?

BertrandRussell · 20/09/2018 18:33

Cats are very often completely intact after being hit by cars.

BertrandRussell · 20/09/2018 18:34

"This makes me wonder because the chances of all these cats being hit by cars and then being beheaded by a fox has got to be vanishing small surely?"
It depends. How many were there? And a human

HeadsDownThumbsUpEveryone · 20/09/2018 18:41

New post just up from SNARL.

South Norwood Animal Rescue and Liberty - SNARL
2 mins ·
Further to our statement this morning, we would like to add the following:
The cats who have been decapitated have had their heads removed in exactly the same manner and place each time. Where we have recovered both head and body, the same small part is missing from each.
We find it difficult to understand how foxes can replicate this perfectly across a range of victims across a vast geographical area.
What has also not been explained is why we have no cases in Scotland or Wales, Devon, East Anglia, Suffolk, Rutland, etc given that we have rescue and lost and found contacts there who would notify us if bodies were found.
In Sussex, there was a case where a rabbit was killed and his body displayed in the same manner as the cats and rabbits and foxes we have attended in other areas. His injuries were a match to these other victims. His liver was placed at the bottom of the garden on a raised stone next to the shed, with a trail of fur leading to it. The next night, the owner’s locked catflap was kicked in and the victim’s collar placed on the stone his liver had been. That’s not foxes.
In West Wickham, a cat’s collar was returned five months after the cat was killed. That’s not foxes.
In Watford, a rabbit was killed and six months later, his head was returned to his garden and found by his owner. It was pristine and looked like it had just happened. This wasn’t reported to Police as she was disgusted by their response when reporting the incident. That’s not foxes.
Early on in the investigation, two years ago, a headless cat was found near his home in Morland Road, Addiscombe. The cat’s head was found in Dalmally Road, upright, in the centre of the garden. The body was missing the same, small piece we had already noted on other victims.
All four of these victims had injuries identical to those seen elsewhere. If foxes are responsible for the others, then how have they managed all of this? If foxes are responsible for all of the others but not the ones mentioned above, how is it that the injuries are identical?
Finally, we decided to visibly monitor an area where there had been a spate of attacks over an extended period. In the 10 months since that started, there have been no further incidents in that area. There have however been attacks just outside that area.
For all of these reasons, we have taken a collective decision this afternoon to continue with the investigation. We now have the skills within our extended team to cover most of what police would be doing anyway.
The police have stated today that they have never had a full time officer assigned to the case, so we are wondering now how much time has actually been spent trying to solve this.
That said, we also know of some exceptional police work done at the start of this case and would like to thank the officers who worked on it.
Finally, our thoughts are with owners tonight who have been confronted by this news without any prior warning. We have tried to get hold of as many of you as possible but if we haven’t got hold of you yet our apologies, we have been inundated and are doing our best under very difficult circumstances.
Further to our statement this morning, we would like to add the following:
The cats who have been decapitated have had their heads removed in exactly the same manner and place each time. Where we have recovered both head and body, the same small part is missing from each.
We find it difficult to understand how foxes can replicate this perfectly across a range of victims across a vast geographical area.
What has also not been explained is why we have no cases in Scotland or Wales, Devon, East Anglia, Suffolk, Rutland, etc given that we have rescue and lost and found contacts there who would notify us if bodies were found.
In Sussex, there was a case where a rabbit was killed and his body displayed in the same manner as the cats and rabbits and foxes we have attended in other areas. His injuries were a match to these other victims. His liver was placed at the bottom of the garden on a raised stone next to the shed, with a trail of fur leading to it. The next night, the owner’s locked catflap was kicked in and the victim’s collar placed on the stone his liver had been. That’s not foxes.
In West Wickham, a cat’s collar was returned five months after the cat was killed. That’s not foxes.
In Watford, a rabbit was killed and six months later, his head was returned to his garden and found by his owner. It was pristine and looked like it had just happened. That’s not foxes.
Early on in the investigation, two years ago, a headless cat was found near his home in Morland Road, Addiscombe. The cat’s head was found in Dalmally Road, upright, in the centre of the garden. The body was missing the same, small piece we had already noted on other victims.
All four of these victims had injuries identical to those seen elsewhere. If foxes are responsible for the others, then how have they managed all of this? If foxes are responsible for all of the others but not the ones mentioned above, how is it that the injuries are identical?
Finally, we decided to visibly monitor an area where there had been a spate of attacks over an extended period. In the 10 months since that started, there have been no further incidents in that area. There have however been attacks just outside that area.
For all of these reasons, we have taken a collective decision this afternoon to continue with the investigation. We now have the skills within our extended team to cover most of what police would be doing anyway.
The police have stated today that they have never had a full time officer assigned to the case, so we are wondering now how much time has actually been spent trying to solve this.
That said, we also know of some exceptional police work done at the start of this case and would like to thank the officers who worked on it.
Finally, our thoughts are with owners tonight who have been confronted by this news without any prior warning. We have tried to get hold of as many of you as possible but if we haven’t been yet our apologies, we have been inundated and are doing our best under very difficult circumstances.

HeadsDownThumbsUpEveryone · 20/09/2018 18:44

Apologies for posting it twice and for the lack of paragraphs.

MistressDeeCee · 20/09/2018 18:52

Saw this couple minutes ago. I feel so sorry for the owners. Don't even want to think about what their poor pets went through

SNARL statement:
Further to our statement this morning, we would like to add the following:

The cats who have been decapitated have had their heads removed in exactly the same manner and place each time. Where we have recovered both head and body, the same small part is missing from each.

We find it difficult to understand how foxes can replicate this perfectly across a range of victims across a vast geographical area.

What has also not been explained is why we have no cases in Scotland or Wales, Devon, East Anglia, Suffolk, Rutland, etc given that we have rescue and lost and found contacts there who would notify us if bodies were found.

In Sussex, there was a case where a rabbit was killed and his body displayed in the same manner as the cats and rabbits and foxes we have attended in other areas. His injuries were a match to these other victims. His liver was placed at the bottom of the garden on a raised stone next to the shed, with a trail of fur leading to it. The next night, the owner’s locked catflap was kicked in and the victim’s collar placed on the stone his liver had been. That’s not foxes.

In West Wickham, a cat’s collar was returned five months after the cat was killed. That’s not foxes.

In Watford, a rabbit was killed and six months later, his head was returned to his garden and found by his owner. It was pristine and looked like it had just happened. That’s not foxes.

Early on in the investigation, two years ago, a headless cat was found near his home in Morland Road, Addiscombe. The cat’s head was found in Dalmally Road, upright, in the centre of the garden. The body was missing the same, small piece we had already noted on other victims.

All four of these victims had injuries identical to those seen elsewhere. If foxes are responsible for the others, then how have they managed all of this? If foxes are responsible for all of the others but not the ones mentioned above, how is it that the injuries are identical?

Finally, we decided to visibly monitor an area where there had been a spate of attacks over an extended period. In the 10 months since that started, there have been no further incidents in that area. There have however been attacks just outside that area.

For all of these reasons, we have taken a collective decision this afternoon to continue with the investigation. We now have the skills within our extended team to cover most of what police would be doing anyway.

The police have stated today that they have never had a full time officer assigned to the case, so we are wondering now how much time has actually been spent trying to solve this.

That said, we also know of some exceptional police work done at the start of this case and would like to thank the officers who worked on it.

Finally, our thoughts are with owners tonight who have been confronted by this news without any prior warning. We have tried to get hold of as many of you as possible but if we haven’t been yet our apologies, we have been inundated and are doing our best under very difficult circumstances.

Pebblespony · 20/09/2018 18:52

Agree with everything @BertrandRussell says.

MistressDeeCee · 20/09/2018 18:56

Sorry HeadsDown I'm peering at small phone screen, hadn't noticed youd posted same statement before I did.

It's all chilling. & I'm thinking about rabbit headthat was returned a full year later FFS...I have faith whoever it is will be caught tho (even if not by police)

HeadsDownThumbsUpEveryone · 20/09/2018 18:57

I don't understand how people think it is mass hysteria and hyped up. 100's of people have had their pets killed in this manner.

It is not hysteria to believe that something sinister has been going on. If it was indeed as simple as cats being hit by cars and then beheaded by foxes then surely that would have been happening for as long as we have has cats, cars and foxes in a confined environment. This has only been happening for the last 3 years...