The hate towards doddle owners.

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The hate against doodles,
I keep reading about Doodle owners, in a negative way on here, I'm wondering why they is so much negativity around them.

For context I have a poodle cross, who gets treated like a dog, we have used trainers, she goes hiking with us, is groomed regular. Doesn't sleep in our bed, can be left alone for a few hours no problem, and not a fussy eater, just eats dry food.
I didn't pay 1000s for her, paid the same as a cross breed. She has no health issues etc.

Yes she does have traits of both breeds, she can be hyper, and prone to barking at times. But we are aware of her breeds, both working dogs.

So am I unusual in that my doddle is treated like a dog. Or is there an unfair reputation towards doodles and owners?

It’s not a breed it’s a cross. Decent breeders don’t breed crosses.

What can you get with a "cavoodle" that you can't get with a miniature poodle? Apart from the ridiculous name and price tag?

And she got ripped off for it.

$4k for a dog is insane. Absolutely insane. The 'breeder' saw your friend coming a mile away.

$4000 for a puppy 😱😱😱

I should have said a cross, not breed. Apologies.

I'm not an expert in cross poodles. I've had 2 standard poodles in my life who were the best mates I could ever wish for (same as the German shepherds I've had). Amazingly intelligent, loyal and without major health issues. All strong dogs, crossing the rainbow after 16 years.

The only experience I have close hand with cross poodles are my friend and a close neighbour with a toy poodle. They don't know each other but both had problems with their dogs' digestive system. Both received the same advice from different vets - they are prone to gastrointestinal problems unless keeping with a strict diet.

As to why they chose their dogs, I can't comment, except they really wanted them.

I think it’s more that the majority of people who bought into the doodle trend, did it for looks and haven’t trained the dogs. It’s not the doodles fault, they wouldn’t have trained any dog they got.

But most doodles people come across are reactive, resource guard, and generally have clueless owners who laugh at their little fluffy dog attacking every dog at the park or lunging at the end of their extendable lead at you when you walk past.

Of course, like every breed there are nice ones with fantastic owners. But sadly the majority were bought by people looking for a cute dog who didn’t think about the impact of crossing two working dogs.

I judge because doodle owners will be the loudest when claiming to be animal lovers. Same as owners of flat nosed breeds.

Doodle owners (no rescue ones) can never be animal lovers. Your dog has a great life, the parents won’t and are abused. Feeding that cycle of animal abuse is never justified.

I don’t think it’s snobbery about cross breeds, after all the coolest dog to have is a Heinz 57 rescue, and that’s great.

I think it is about puppy farms, which are increasingly sophisticated in their marketing so that they pose as home breeders of beloved pets having “one litter only” because she’s such a treasure. Even where the litter really is from a beloved, well socialised pet, it is rare for the appropriate and expensive health tests to have been done on the sire and dam.

I know a super cavapoo, a few bonkers but lovely cockerpoos and labradoodles but also much loved and cared for doodles with severe anxiety and skin conditions, one of which started having fits and was eventually PTS very young after great heartbreak and £££ in bets bills despite insurance. Some have very challenging coats that only develop with maturity and entail laborious daily grooming to avoid painful matting. With a crossbreed you just can’t predict the coat each pup will go on to develop and it will differ even between littermates.

So I think the judgement comes from the perception that a significant percentage of purchasers meet a gorgeous doodle in the park, or know someone with one, and search for a litter without doing enough research and thinking they are doing well by avoiding an inbred pedigree. You see it when people say they are getting one because a family member has allergies; the most basic search online would tell them have a poodle in the mix does not preclude a dog producing the dander to which some people have a reaction.

I doubt many buyers buy actively carelessly, but people underestimate the research that should go into taking on any living creature and too many people are happy to take advantage of this when breeding dogs.

I actually think it’s snobbery about poodles.

doodles are “cool”, poodles are ridiculous Pom Pom frou frou pets.

it’s led to a demand for doodles that puppy farms have filled.

people forget poodles are so intelligent they were commonly trained and used in circus acts.

Totally agree with this. Poodles still have that "image" of being old-lady frou frou dogs with silly haircuts and bows on their heads.

I'm new to the world of poos (not that kind) having adopted a possible cavapoo earlier this year. He was only 3 months old.

He's an absolute delight, easy-going, fun, affectionate and great company for my young Lab-spaniel cross. He does gets a lot of attention when we're out and about. How depressing to think some dog enthusiasts might be judging us for having, what is admittedly, a ridiculously cute pup.

It's an average price from reputable breeders in Australia paid for this cross. No puppy farms.

https://www.mycavoodle.com.au/blogs/news/how-much-does-a-cavoodle-cost#:~:text=PetCircle%20estimated%20in%202022%20that,pups%20also%20command%20higher%20prices.

There's absolutely no such thing as a "reputable cavoodle breeder", ffs.

If you say so. One of the reasons why people are paying so much money in Australia for this cross is because the dogs are registered with reputable organisations giving transparent information about individual screening for potential health issues.

Maybe it's different in the UK, which means paying much less money.

From that article:

PetCircle estimated in 2022 that the average Cavoodle cost in Australia ranges from $4500 to $7000. Some ethical breeders with in-demand lineages will charge more than this, and show-worthy pups also command higher prices.

if ethical breeders can charge more than £7k, and your friend paid the absolute bottom of the pay scale, then that suggests your friend has bought the cheapest puppy they can find, and is likely a puppy farmed. It’s not going to be from a high welfare breeder is it if it’s as cheap as possible

Just because it's the average price for that breed doesn't mean it's not a rip off.
It just means the breed in general is a rip off.

But you never answered my questions....did she get any health tests? Heart checks? Generational health testing?

She paid $4000 dollars 5 years ago and drove 1000 km to get the pup. Frankly, some of you are becoming ridiculous - some posts are saying that my friend was insane for paying so much, and others that she paid the bottom price in Australia and the pup was likely puppy farmed.

Never thought doghouse could be worse than AIBU, ffs.

Oh dear 🤣🤣

Exactly this, it never seems to be a thought process at all about different breeds, different traits etc it's so often seems to be 'lets get a dog = Cockapoo and then justifying it with oh but they are so good with children, oh but they are hypoallergenic oh bla bla bla

I'm with you. I've got a doodle breed 'Jack-a-poo'. She's well trained, yes she would love to get her paws on a squirrel but that's her terrier instinct. She has excellent recall even with squirrels, she isn't reactive to other dogs and when I see another dog I always call her back to go back on her lead while we pass. I take her to my local pub too, she's allowed to wonder and most of the locals love her plus the other dogs - i'm incredibly mindful about people who don't like dogs and don't create about this. Yes I let her on my bed at times however she is also crate trained so happy to sleep in there too. I let her snuggle on the sofa however she is more than happy to take herself of to her dog basket.

I love her to bits as she has been through so much with me and the children these past 5 years. She's been our bit of sanity in the chaos.

I didn't pay a stupid amount for her as my ex husband wouldn't let me rescue despite me volunteering for a rescue charity. Yes she is a dog at the end of the day however she has been receptive and is receptive to training.

I also wanted to add what swayed me to get a 'jack-a-poo'. It wasn't the hypoallergenic element because she actually malts. My ex husband for years told me he hated all dogs, I grew up with dogs. Ironically he left me for a woman who has 3 Frenchies and he told me he thought it was great the amount of money she made from breeding them - they don't even walk their dogs!
It got to the point where he could no longer object to having a dog so he tried to put all obstacles in the way - The dog had to be female, a small dog, didn't want me to travel far to find one, I had to be working from home, I was to train her etc etc.

you only need to have a look at a puppy farm website to see.

one or two poodle stud dogs.

however many bitches. Spaniel, bichon, shih tzu, jack russel, Pomeranian, any thing else small/fluffy/cute.

then your “licensed family business” can churn out fluffy puppies with portmanteau names, sell them to naive buyers for ££££££££, and send the kids to private school.

This is interesting:

australianlabradoodleassociation.co.uk/our-ethics-1

I just don’t get the disconnect from doodle owners (not rescue ones). How they can claim to love dogs but ignore where that puppy came from and the sad life for the parents.

I think people are just a bit clueless sometimes

an ex neighbour of mine bought a frenchie, to me it was real obvious it was from a puppy farm, like from a brief OMG you got a puppy type interaction.

she didn’t work it out till he had a heart issue and she contacted them about it

She then spent ages slating them on social media and sharing petitions about puppy farms

but about a year later she got another one from what again wax obvious to me was just a slightly better managed puppy farm 🤷‍♀️