The hate towards doddle owners.

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The hate against doodles,
I keep reading about Doodle owners, in a negative way on here, I'm wondering why they is so much negativity around them.

For context I have a poodle cross, who gets treated like a dog, we have used trainers, she goes hiking with us, is groomed regular. Doesn't sleep in our bed, can be left alone for a few hours no problem, and not a fussy eater, just eats dry food.
I didn't pay 1000s for her, paid the same as a cross breed. She has no health issues etc.

Yes she does have traits of both breeds, she can be hyper, and prone to barking at times. But we are aware of her breeds, both working dogs.

So am I unusual in that my doddle is treated like a dog. Or is there an unfair reputation towards doodles and owners?

Dear oh dear @Newfluff . Cuts close ?
Do you mean do I identify with the description ?
Not in the slightest.
The description seemed to me like such judgemental typecasting.

But it was probably just something typed without much thought while looking at MN in-between chores.
And not intended to cause offense.
I've been guilty of this myself in the past and no doubt will be again.
I've said I found the comment unnecessary and that's it's possible to discuss people who buy puppies without being quite so sneery.
Shall we leave it at that ?

Nope. I stand by what I said.

not meaning to sneer, but as I have tried to explain so many of the doodle owners I speak to have clearly got their dogs from puppy farms. Or the breeder “kindly” met them half way, or it was the last puppy in the litter and they were so lucky, or whatever red flag they clearly don’t realise is a red flag.

the fact is it’s almost impossible to get a doodle from an ethical breeder. So chances are they have got their dog from a puppy farm.

call it judgemental typecasting. But IME it’s almost always true.

@Whosenameisthis I think it's possible to be critical of someone's behaviour and not describe them as you did .
@Tygertiger managed to do this .
I think your tone and description was sneery ,it sounded snobbish to me .
You say it's based on your experience and you didn't intend to sneer .
Fair enough ,but that's how it came across to me .

The issue I have with them is that in my experience adding cocker has made the poodle worse. Why add another breed if it’s not adding anything positive?

In my experience they tend to be nervy and neurotic and are prone to resource guarding and separation anxiety. Often they are owned by families who haven’t considered that they actually have two high energy working breeds mashed together, probably with little thought to temperament as the better breeders won’t cross or allow their lines to be used to ‘doodle’.

I also dislike the blind following of fashion to choose a ‘breed’. Be individual! I don’t want to be one of 50 red lunging and barking cockerpoos someones seen that day!

Can we all agree the one thing we need to unite against is the pure evil unjustified seething hatred for dogs being seen in the thread in AIBU at the moment?!

Someone frothing at the mouth with excitement to beat one with her walking stick if it barks, someone else wanting every single dog muzzled the second they step outside, someone else wanting them chained and leashed their entire lives in public, someone else wanting to unleash a dog-specific biochemical poison to cull them.

UTTERLY VILE 🤬

I have seen that thread. It’s crazy isn’t it? I don’t think we can take people on there seriously… can we? There can’t be actual people in the world that feel like this!

Because the registration costs money, the health testing costs money. A breeder that isn’t doing those isn’t spending as much money and shouldn’t be charging as much money. It’s not the same situation as a maternity ward at all and has nothing to do with the dogs ‘value’ but how much the breeders make for how much or how little work they put into quality puppies.

Well that’s a complete myth seeing as no one can tell a poodle apart from a doodle anymore! This is an unshaved poodle.

You think crossing a cocker - a working breed that can suffer from cocker rage, lessens the mental and physical energy requirements of a poodle? Please explain where that thinking comes from!

It may have been answered in the many pages that follow but Australian Labradoodles would be a breed by now if the KC weren't so snooty. They must be at least 7 generations away from a purebred to be classified as ALD, and they have breed standards and a worldwide registry. Given they are 7+ generations, their standards are very predictable, unlike someone who lets their friends' poodle jump on their lab in season. ALDs were originally bred by the Australian Guide Dog Association to create the most trainable and hypoallergenic dog possible, despite what their name suggests originally they were a mix of six breeds. The breeders are very strict on breeding genuine ones so lots of health testing so generally very healthy. Highly recommend mine, way better than a cockerpoo and the miniatures are a similar size. I've seen some people with labradoodle crossed with cockerpoo and called it an ALD, they are cheeky gits trying to get more cash, they are just mutts.

@BarkItOff - I think you got me all wrong!
Yes, I have a cookerpoo - she came to me at around 6 months from a family that could not cope with any puppy yet alone a neurotic.& energetic one. As it turns out, she's a fantastic little worker (we compete in agility & obedience) but a lousy pet. So nope not in a million years would I recommend one as first time or family dog.

My point is, that the cookerpoo is presented as the perfect urban family dog. With carful selection, one could achieve this from the cookerpoo. Some Poodle lines are more pet than working dogs. I think the Spaniel adds a bit robustness and size to the breed.
I'm just musing about a new breed of dog that is 100% compatible with urban living.

I know many pure breeds come pretty close, unfortunately there's always a but.

What a gorgeous pup!

Absolutely agree. Poodles look like Doodles if their face isn't shaved. In fact I know of someone who tells their groomer to "Doodle Her Poodle". Her husband wouldn't agree to buying a Poodle so she pretends they have a Doodle and he's none the wiser!

If you ask most people why they want a doodle, they describe the traits of a poodle. Unfortunately, poodles have been unfairly stereotyped over the years and many people don't realise what an amazing breed they are. They are often described as stupid frou frou dogs when in fact they are the second most intelligent breed after the border collie.

But like I said, crossing a working breed in absolutely does not make a dog more “urban family dog”. Every single time anyone describes why they wanted a cockerpoo, they describe a poodle.

As others have pointed out there is no perfect selection with cross breeds. Because those perfect specimens in each breed are being bred to dogs of their own breed. No one would choose to take a top quality dog of its breed and cross it. So these dogs start with poorer specimens.

I have never come across a single cockerpoo breeder that has fully health tested the parents for all known breed issues.

I must admit I would assume that gorgeous poodle was a doodle.

no perfect selection with cross breeds. Perfect urban dog

There is no perfect dog, I think much of the problem is people thinking they have perfect dogs, no one and nothing is perfect.

I have a miniature poodle. I get asked almost daily whether she’s a cockapoo or a cavapoo. One guy tried to insist that she’s a cockapoo as she looked exactly like his cockapoo.

Someone said something about a cockapoo being more robust than a poodle. They haven’t met my miniature poodle! She loves to play with other dogs. Her best friends are generally cockapoos. She always wins due to her speed and athleticism.

Poodles are known for being especially healthy and long lived dogs.

Everyone does. They are always shocked when they ask what she’s crossed with and I say another poodle. People don’t know what poodles look like unshaved anymore.

Same! The amount of times I’ve been told she looks just like someone’s cockerpoo etc. Well yes because cockerpoos look like unshaved poodles but there owners didn’t know what a real poodle looks like and so bought an overpriced cross instead.

Tbh I am yet to meet a miniature poodle that wasn't a robust little thing! My Goldie boy's best friend was a miniature poodle (before the poodle moved away), and honestly my dog couldn't keep up. The poodle would fly at him again and again, and jump over the top of him, and race around between his legs. I can remember the first time my boy sent the poodle flying (by mistake, I hasten to add) and I was terrified...and the poodle just bounced back, let out a bark, and was off again 😄

Amazing little dogs. As are cockers. Both breeds are (in my eyes) perfect as they are.

I didn't know until I opened the thread, that there was any hate against doodles. My friend has a cavapoo, and she's beyond adorable. She was easy to train, loyal to a fault and one of the cleanest dogs I've ever seen. Even as a puppy she wouldn't pee or poo at home preferring a spot in the garden as far away from the house as possible.

No major health problems except the breed can have issues with their digestive system unless owners are strict with their diet - boiled chicken with vegs and rice as my friend found out.

The problem is their price. She paid over $4000 for the pup from a solid, reputable breeder after submitting several forms and a few phone calls before the breeder gave her the option to pay thousands of dollars to get the pup.

And she could have got the exact same thing with a Minature poodle at half the price. This is the point people are making.

@Alondra you're joking?! $4000!? Did she even have health testing for that? Or generational health testing? Or heart exams? Or anything? That's completely insane.

Tbh, I would say they're not a reputable breeder. No good breeder charges that much. Charging that much for a dog is down to one thing: profit and greed. The only dogs that are worth that, or more, are those that are being used at shoots or as proper working dogs (like border collies) - because they earn that money back, a thousand-fold.

You kind of demonstrate the point here.

cockerpoo is not a “breed”. It’s a cross. The fact your friend got an amazing dog is pure luck, or she’s actually one who’s found the unicorn of an ethical breeder who only breeds from top quality dogs.

the “breed” does not have gastrointestinal problems. That specific dog does.

crossbreeds could have any of its parents traits. You’ve met one gorgeous fluffy cross and have jumped to the conclusion that all cockerpoos are like that.

Which is a big part of the issue- people then go out and buy a cockerpoo thinking they’ll get the same, and end up with a highly strung neurotic dog with separation anxiety, a high maintenance coat and cocker physical problems.

out of interest why did your friend choose a cockerpoo and not a poodle? Poodles are very similar, more likely to have a manageable coat, are far more predictable in what you get. Probably a quarter of the price too.

She didn't want a Minature poodle, she wanted a cavoodle. She researched the breed, problems and breeders for a long time before submitting the application.

Every dog mom and dad are different.

It’s a cavapoo but that’s beside the point. Cavalier King Charles Spaniels have a range of inherited health issues, notably heart disease and breathing difficulties. Their eyes can also cause problems. Any of these health conditions can be inherited by a cavapoo.