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If no medical issue do we PTS?

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Wallmirror · 12/01/2024 12:16

We really are at a loss with our older dog. She was a rescue who we adopted at 18 months so she is nearly 5.5 years old now. No reported aggression from those who gave her up and none observed while she was in kennels. They even advised she could live with older children). She has always been very highly strung due to her breed mix (husky cross). She can be aloof at times but does sometimes seek out contact, for example, if the mood takes her she will come up and snuggle next to one of us while watching tv. She is the sort of dog where it’s always very clear whether she is is a good mood or whether anxious/fearful.

In recent years there have been two bite incidents. Both involved altercations with another (female) dog where the dog walker got in the middle of it. Given the nature of these incidents we were not unduly concerned and neither was the dog walker who knew her well. We saw a behaviourist following this who said from what they assessed that she didn’t seem to be an aggressive dog and she could be managed given the nature of what happened. We have no children and our second younger dog is male - they get on well and apart from playing together, which is very balanced, he generally leaves her be (usually glued to us). They have existed happily together for the last 3 years.

In the last 6 months she has become increasingly intolerant of being handled when needed, for example to go in the bath/be brushed and has air snapped at us on occasion. Previously this has never been an issue and we would placate her with treats while the other washed her, it’s now impossible.

In the last 6 weeks or so we have noticed that she has become very intolerant/grumpy in the evenings, snapping at my husband if he needs to step over her which has never been a problem as we would verbally announce ourselves (she has great form for lying in the middle of walkways in the house) or if accidentally nudged (she was curled up at our feet in bed and reacted when one of us moved). She has always been the sort of dog to take herself off for a nap and we have noticed when coming into our room (she sometimes naps on our bed) she seems frozen/dazed when we switch the light on and it’s very clear from her body language not to approach. Last week my husband went up to our room, switched the light on, went back out to use the loo, went back in and sat at the foot of the bed. She rolled over to him on her back, he rubbed her tummy as she was being wiggly and seemed like she usually is when she’s being playful and wants a tummy rub (as opposed to lifting her paw on her back - we know this from her is a polite leave me alone), she rolled back on her front, he lay down, no actual contact and she lost it, reacted and bit him breaking the skin.

He is devastated but insists he wasn’t doing anything which we know would have provoked her, as I said we know her behaviour pretty inside out at this point.

We know vet is first port of call for a full check up, but our worry is if there is no obvious medical cause what the next steps are. Ever since the first bite incident, even though it seemed to have an explanation at the time I’ve been on eggshells and constantly worry about her and if I’m honest, in my gut, I’ve since then wondered if there’s something wrong. This is even more stark a contrast with other dog who I never worry about. Other than the aggression/intolerance and the ‘dazed’ evening episodes we haven’t observed any other physical concerns although we are keeping an eye and have removed access to our room so we can watch her. We did wonder if she was now resource guarding the room although she has never displayed any resource guarding previously. Even booking the vet is proving to be heart wrenching as we both worry it’s the beginning of the end even though we owe it to her to get her properly checked out.

Just wondered if anyone had experienced anything similar or had any advice.

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catelynjane · 12/01/2024 15:00

It sounds like your dog is in pain. I would want a full check up including bloods, and possibly x-rays to check for dysplasia and other joint issues.

Make sure they check ears, paws, nails and eyes too.

autumnpumpkinlattes · 12/01/2024 15:05

I second that it sounds like they could be in pain that you can't see

autumnpumpkinlattes · 12/01/2024 15:06

catelynjane · 12/01/2024 15:00

It sounds like your dog is in pain. I would want a full check up including bloods, and possibly x-rays to check for dysplasia and other joint issues.

Make sure they check ears, paws, nails and eyes too.

Also check teeth for issues causing toothache

Wolfcub · 12/01/2024 15:08

Ask the vet to put her on a pain trial even if they can't find an immediate physical/medical cause on investigation. It very much sounds like you are describing the behaviour of a dog who is in pain

IngGenius · 12/01/2024 15:14

I would bet money there is a physical reason for her behaviour. Make sure you get full blood check urine test and not just a feel over by the vet.

Wallmirror · 12/01/2024 15:22

Thanks folks. We need to book her in for next week and watch her closely in the mean time. It’s the only way we will know for sure. I know we just need to take it a step at a time.

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catelynjane · 12/01/2024 16:28

It is hard but try not to panic and think this is the end.

Lots of pain issues in dogs (and cats) can be easily managed. My own cat was recently diagnosed with arthritis at a relatively young age - he's been on medication since October and is now like a new cat!

Alloveragain3 · 12/01/2024 16:32

At this age and breed I'd suspect arthritis.
Signs can be very subtle initially.

muddyford · 12/01/2024 16:38

With the dazed-ness I would be afraid it might be a brain tumour.

Thingamebobwotsit · 12/01/2024 16:41

Almost undoubtedly a reason for it. Although whether the vet can find it without wracking up huge bills is anyone's guess. And whether you can afford to do this is a personal situation.

My GP had this with a rescue dog and in the end PTS was kinder as no rescue would take her. They gave it 3 years of behaviourists, treatment and vets bills before they had to admit they couldn't address it or find a cause for it and it broke their heart. If you can treat an underlying condition or behavioural issue then go for it and it will hopefully improve. But if you can't, explore long term rescue. And if that isn't an option then don't rehome, PTS. I would love a world where we can save every wonderful dog but it is not always possible. Am.sure there will be others on MN that have a different perspective but my view is we take on animals for good and sometimes even our best efforts don't work. What we need to make sure we do is balance out our own needs with the potential distress for the animal.

catelynjane · 12/01/2024 16:46

muddyford · 12/01/2024 16:38

With the dazed-ness I would be afraid it might be a brain tumour.

More likely to be epilepsy, I would have thought.

Wallmirror · 12/01/2024 16:51

The dazedness is hard to describe, almost like she is not fully awake even though she’s not fully lying down/half sat up and her eyes are open. Not something we’ve seen her do before and she is a dog that loves to nap.

If the worst came to it and there was no cause found there’s no way she would cope in a rescue and although a husky cross her personality traits are full husky so she’s definitely quirky. That plus a bite history means no one would take her and I very aware that as a fairly quiet adult only home we’re her best option. I remember all our visits to her in the run up to adopting her and she was severely anxious at all times. It’s so sad at the moment. Neither of us are interacting with her even when she’s being playful (she goes and gets things to play ‘tug’ with) for fear it sets her off.

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Alloveragain3 · 12/01/2024 16:58

She may be getting poor quality sleep due to a medical issue like joint pain, hence being dopey

PP mentioned epilepsy but it doesnt usually develop past the age of 5. There are certainly lots of other things that cause cause partial seizures at her age, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that this is what she's experiencing.

ReadtheReviews · 12/01/2024 17:44

The dazed thing made me think of flea treatment. It had this effect on our collie who were now learn has the mdmr 1 gene (could be diff name) where chemicals penetrate the brain as no protective layer and send him insane. He looked at us like he didn't know us etc. Can huskies have this? Is she part collie?

ReadtheReviews · 12/01/2024 17:46

Mdr 1 here you go vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/multidrug-resistance-mutation-mdr1

Wallmirror · 12/01/2024 17:53

No collie or other herding breeds in her. She’s supposed to be a husky lab cross which I’m inclined to believe given her insatiable appetite and every now and then the goofy lab comes out. The dazed thing is only in the evening as well, we’ve not seen this from her in the day.

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Wallmirror · 13/01/2024 10:48

So this morning she’s barked at my husband and told him off. She has got up next to him on the sofa and snuggled in, she then did her usual thing of going upside down all legs in the air and being wiggly at which point he did rub her tummy, lightly and conscious of what had happened earlier slowly and she immediately barked at him. Once he stopped she was her usual self, still being silly and wiggly. Vet is happy to see her this morning so we can hopefully start to get to the bottom of this.

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Jumpingpogosticks · 13/01/2024 10:57

It sounds like your dog is unwell, or in pain. The dazed and freezing, and not liking to be stepped over all of a sudden is a bit concerning.

Also, just to be really clear, when you get a rescue you often don't know that they're telling the truth.

Our dog, who we rescued, very few issues! Could live with kids, was gentle, no problem. We had 6 years of trying with him.

We recently gave him up. I'd spoken to my counsellor about my concerns with his aggression, my counsellor was concerned enough that she told me, when I'd got rid of the dog that she was prepared to make a safeguarding referral if the dog wasn't gone when I said he would be going.
We were VERY clear about our problems with the dog.
He was relisted as lovely, and gentle.

Also, I'd be concerned that dog has now drawn blood. Some vets see that as the line. If its crossed they may recommend PTS

catelynjane · 13/01/2024 11:12

The barking and biting when certain areas are touched is a real indicator of pain and discomfort.

autumnpumpkinlattes · 13/01/2024 11:30

Good luck at the vets OP.

NewYearNewPyjamas · 13/01/2024 11:37

Poor pooch! My dog has a similar personality, it's the breed and you need to find a way to work around it. My dog rarely cuddles and it's devastating.

The rest of it sounds like pain or discomfort. Vets will help. It's definitely a medical issue

idontlikealdi · 13/01/2024 11:45

Hope you get some answers from the vet, it does sounds like there is antisocial reason for the behaviour.

Wallmirror · 13/01/2024 11:58

Just back from the vet, she is on a trial of painkillers for a week and if we see that makes a difference she will go back for sedation and full check and x-rays. He didn’t feel anything concerning on her tummy or with her heart. His guess is possibly arthritis for her age/breed mix. She reacted every time he touched her but in between was being goofy with him. He noted she’s usually fine for her annual vaccines and so agreed it’s a sign of pain.

We’ve never bothered she isn’t a cuddly dog and we don’t try to - sometimes I like that about her as our other dog is a pure Velcro dog! But if she gets up and snuggles in of her own accord we of course let her.

Very aware that her history might not be what we have been told also.

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catelynjane · 13/01/2024 12:01

I hope the pain trial works. Our cat was on one when the vet suspected arthritis (turns out they were right) and it made such a big difference. He was so much happier. We're now four months in and the difference in him is incredible - he's like a new cat.

LastnightIDreamedofManderley · 13/01/2024 12:21

Really feel for you OP. As other posters have suggested it really does sound like there’s some form of pain going on with her and this is the reason for her seemingly out of nowhere aggression. Please try not to worry about PTS as it likely will not come to that.
Imagine if we had for example horrible toothache that we had no relief from, we’d probably snap at people too! Poor girl, it’s so hard for animals as they can’t tell us what’s wrong.

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