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If no medical issue do we PTS?

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Wallmirror · 12/01/2024 12:16

We really are at a loss with our older dog. She was a rescue who we adopted at 18 months so she is nearly 5.5 years old now. No reported aggression from those who gave her up and none observed while she was in kennels. They even advised she could live with older children). She has always been very highly strung due to her breed mix (husky cross). She can be aloof at times but does sometimes seek out contact, for example, if the mood takes her she will come up and snuggle next to one of us while watching tv. She is the sort of dog where it’s always very clear whether she is is a good mood or whether anxious/fearful.

In recent years there have been two bite incidents. Both involved altercations with another (female) dog where the dog walker got in the middle of it. Given the nature of these incidents we were not unduly concerned and neither was the dog walker who knew her well. We saw a behaviourist following this who said from what they assessed that she didn’t seem to be an aggressive dog and she could be managed given the nature of what happened. We have no children and our second younger dog is male - they get on well and apart from playing together, which is very balanced, he generally leaves her be (usually glued to us). They have existed happily together for the last 3 years.

In the last 6 months she has become increasingly intolerant of being handled when needed, for example to go in the bath/be brushed and has air snapped at us on occasion. Previously this has never been an issue and we would placate her with treats while the other washed her, it’s now impossible.

In the last 6 weeks or so we have noticed that she has become very intolerant/grumpy in the evenings, snapping at my husband if he needs to step over her which has never been a problem as we would verbally announce ourselves (she has great form for lying in the middle of walkways in the house) or if accidentally nudged (she was curled up at our feet in bed and reacted when one of us moved). She has always been the sort of dog to take herself off for a nap and we have noticed when coming into our room (she sometimes naps on our bed) she seems frozen/dazed when we switch the light on and it’s very clear from her body language not to approach. Last week my husband went up to our room, switched the light on, went back out to use the loo, went back in and sat at the foot of the bed. She rolled over to him on her back, he rubbed her tummy as she was being wiggly and seemed like she usually is when she’s being playful and wants a tummy rub (as opposed to lifting her paw on her back - we know this from her is a polite leave me alone), she rolled back on her front, he lay down, no actual contact and she lost it, reacted and bit him breaking the skin.

He is devastated but insists he wasn’t doing anything which we know would have provoked her, as I said we know her behaviour pretty inside out at this point.

We know vet is first port of call for a full check up, but our worry is if there is no obvious medical cause what the next steps are. Ever since the first bite incident, even though it seemed to have an explanation at the time I’ve been on eggshells and constantly worry about her and if I’m honest, in my gut, I’ve since then wondered if there’s something wrong. This is even more stark a contrast with other dog who I never worry about. Other than the aggression/intolerance and the ‘dazed’ evening episodes we haven’t observed any other physical concerns although we are keeping an eye and have removed access to our room so we can watch her. We did wonder if she was now resource guarding the room although she has never displayed any resource guarding previously. Even booking the vet is proving to be heart wrenching as we both worry it’s the beginning of the end even though we owe it to her to get her properly checked out.

Just wondered if anyone had experienced anything similar or had any advice.

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Wallmirror · 01/02/2024 13:36

So we got the 2nd opinion back on the x-rays. The specialist advised that although there is a very slight difference in one of the hips, it shouldn’t be causing enough pain to result in behavioural changes. Suggestion now is it may be more soft tissue related. Painkillers finished yesterday (gabapentin) and now we see if there is any difference on just loxicom alone. It’s only midday but she’s already grumbly when our other dog approaches so not a good sign.

How do they diagnose a soft tissue injury? That wouldn’t have shown up on her x-rays. Honestly despair a bit at how hard it is to work out what is wrong. Her bloods were apparently all normal which makes me think no indications of something of malignant - I’m assuming that would show?

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Onlyvisiting · 01/02/2024 14:16

I'd be looking for a good canine physio personally. They are better equipped to understand gait analysis and pinpointing where pain is coming from. I'd prefer to find one through recommendations personally, they aren't all equal IME. Depends where in the country you are and how far you are prepared to travel

bookwormcrazy · 01/02/2024 15:25

Have you looked into Epilepsy? This can be presented in other ways apart from normal seizures.

My rescue pup had been diagnosed and her symptoms went beyond the typical seizure and do sound similar to some of what your dog is presenting.

Until we got her meds correct, she turned into a demon dog she was tired or of an evening. Almost like a duel personality. She could be led there fast asleep of having strokes but if you did anything to "jolt" her out of the daze that she was in she turned and attacked. It started off as barking but gradually got worse to attacking and you had to "bring her out" of the attack by calling her name and bringing her back to reality when she automatically flipped to - oh hello, I love you.

It even got to the point where it happened out of no where when she was fast asleep with no obvious trigger (just something in her brain) and we had to separate her from us in the evenings when it was most likely to happen to keep us safe.

It eventually turned out that this was a form of seizure and we worked with a dog epilepsy specialist in London for about a year to keep adjusting her meds and making sure things we were improving. For the 6 months the attacks have almost dwindled to non existent since the last adaptation of her meds and we are now back to her being able to spend the evenings with us.

We do know the signs now of when she goes into the seizure type dazes or triggers and that they are most likely to happen when she is extremely tired now that we have got her meds just right but it is really rare it happens now. Just something to explore if there are no obvious signs of pain, it could be a form of epilepsy.

Wallmirror · 01/02/2024 15:38

With the slightly dazed in the evening thing we did wonder about something like that but I do think she’s in pain. With the gabapentin she was a bit more like her old self and doing things like lying in the way/middle of the floor which she had stopped. She’s now back to being curled up in a corner or anywhere where she’s got something to the back of her. It sounds daft but she usually lies half way up our stairs on the small landing upside down and you could step over her any time of the day and she would be super chilled. She started doing it again on the pain relief but back to being huddled away.

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survivingunderarock · 01/02/2024 16:56

Ask for a referral to a canine sports specialist. Someone like the Smart Clinic in Cardiff (there are others). They are experts in pain and mobility in all dogs, not just working and sporting. You do need to take this further. Most vets will happily refer.

Silvercoconut · 06/09/2025 09:09

Wallmirror · 01/02/2024 15:38

With the slightly dazed in the evening thing we did wonder about something like that but I do think she’s in pain. With the gabapentin she was a bit more like her old self and doing things like lying in the way/middle of the floor which she had stopped. She’s now back to being curled up in a corner or anywhere where she’s got something to the back of her. It sounds daft but she usually lies half way up our stairs on the small landing upside down and you could step over her any time of the day and she would be super chilled. She started doing it again on the pain relief but back to being huddled away.

I know this is an old thread, But did you ever get to the bottom of it? I do hope everything is ok now

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