Stud Fees

[ConciseQueen]

I have found my bitch a lovely dog to sire pups. The owner of the dog is pretty relaxed, doesn’t want a puppy but has asked me to make an offer of stud fees. He’s stressed nothing is guaranteed from the dogs’ meeting etc.

Neither dog is worth much (lurchers) but they are lovely so I will be able to sell the puppies to cover vet costs if the time comes. How much would you offer for the stud fee?

@BoobyDazzler How on earth is that remotely comparable? I would hope that most women have a choice whether they get pregnant or not. The OP is breeding from her dog who is unable to give consent. She doesn’t have a clue what she’s doing, isn’t doing it because she wants to carry on a good bloodline or improve a breed. She’s just got her eyes on how much money she can make.

And I don’t know which rescues some of you are looking at but many of them are overrun with unsold litters so it is perfectly possible to rehome an unwanted pup if you don’t want an adult dog.

Nice try @ConciseQueen and you've managed to illicit a good number of replies but if your dogs really are rescues they would have already been spayed/neutered or come with a contract to be spayed/neutered so you wouldn't have a bitch to breed from.
And now you're claiming your lurchers live with cats. Most unusual lurchers you have there.
On the off chance that you really are planning to breed your poor bitch then you need to stop for everyone's sake.

@BoobyDazzler I don't think many husbands/boyfriends have to be helped or held in place in order to impregnante their wives/girlfriends which is something that happens with some dogs.
I don't think many husbands/boyfriends and wives/girlfriends only meet for the purposes of mating.
And thankfully, although as we know it's not always the case, women generally are able to consent to having sex with a man and plan to have a child with that man in order to create a family unit.
Bit different to a bitch being pretty much raped by a dog, don't you think?

Not everyone wants a rescue dog - I wouldn’t. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And I am afraid you are incorrect again. There is something very wrong with that.
There are enough children in the world after all. Shouldn’t they just adopt?Adopting a child is a wonderful thing to do. It's not something many people feel they can do of course but absolutely those people who want a family should certainly consider it.

“Not everyone wants a rescue dog - I wouldn’t. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And I am afraid you are incorrect again. There is something very wrong with that.
There are enough children in the world after all. Shouldn’t they just adopt?Adopting a child is a wonderful thing to do. It's not something many people feel they can do of course but absolutely those people who want a family should certainly consider it”

That’s a very simplistic view. Adoption (of children) is wonderful but it’s bloody difficult for everyone involved. It’s not like a Disney movie with a happy ending. So not everyone should consider it at all.
Getting a rescue dog also can be great, but you are underestimating how hard it is on the dog to leave it’s home, spend time in a shelter and then be rehomed.

@KimKardassion I think you should read my post again.

Glad to not that. If thoroughly Heinz, then there may be no further advice - you'll be placing reliance on hybrid vigour (not perfect - and what would you do if any pups were sickly?)

But if there is a breed that makes up a large proportion of the bitch and stud, then yes you should be looking at screening - especially if the breed is on both sides of the proposed mating.

So find out the proposed stud's lineage (two generations worth if possible) before talking to your vet

Your vet hasn't raised concerns because she will treading a professional line.

Your dog is going to go through an awful lot to have pups just because you 'think she's lovely'.

I work in animal rescue, we are overloaded. Please stop adding to the problem by backyard breeding your dog, there are too many dogs. You should be registered, you should understand the risks and be putting your dog's welfare and health at the front of everything to ask about health checks and screening rather than fees for stud.

I also echo what a previous poster said about lack of demand at the moment. We have puppies of pedigree being found dumped due to lack of interest. You would be adding to the problem.

Just to pipe up again about rescue dogs, here's a whole litter of 9 Lurcher puppies who ended up at Dogs Trust, it's not just reactive dogs that end up in rescue:
https://www.instagram.com/p/C0OYHJGxgXi/?hl=en&img_index=1

Just FYI OP I bought a puppy from a registered breeder, as soon as i took her home she was obviously ill, she racked up $4k in vet bills which the breeder was required to pay. Another puppy was also ill, and I heard the owner was taking her to small claims court.
One of my friends has had a similar experience with a puppy with health issues; the breeder had to pay.

Are you financially prepared for this possibility?

My ex working lurcher and her friend... Not all Lurchers aren't dcat friendly. This ddog previously lived outside alone.... And killed ferociously
. Never laid a tooth on dcat in over 6 years...

Breeding is not as easy as you think. You will need hip/elbow scoring. Normally a specialist vets. Cost about £250 plus. Eyes checked, again specialist, cost about £100+. Various other tests, Normally done by swabs then sent off to specialist labs. Done on both dogs. Then once puppies are here I spent nearly 3 weeks sleeping on the floor next to the whelping box. We never left the dogs side. Then we moved them to a large pen in our living room, the poop , constantly clearing up washing towels dog beds. Then toilet training all puppies. It was really hard work! I kept a boy and he is nothing like him mum.
My stud fee was £1500 because we mated him with a top American show dog. Who the owner imported from the US. Also the owner did a very detailed contract to cover us both. Also you will need to be licensed , another cost and lots of organised paperwork.

No, you do not need to be licensed if you're just planning a single litter from your only pet dog.

You also wouldn’t need hip or elbow scores for a sight hound/terrier mix. Tests for certain things yes, copper toxicity if there’s bedlington terrier in the mix for example.

You want to earn a few quid from potentially killing your beloved pet with an unnecessary pregnancy (and potentially medical procedures). --

Stop pretending you are making some special gift to the world by breeding a dog that the rescues are literally over run with. If the people who want your dog, haven't found one in a rescue, perhaps they aren't suitable dog owners and you shouldn't be gifting the magnificent offspring of the wonder dog to them? --

Or perhaps they just need to wait a couple of minutes weeks to get a suitable match?

At the very least you'd need hipscores. You'd need them for any breed! I've seen dogs from a parent with a high hip score and it's not good.

Aw @Needtogrowsproutsfordecember that’s a lovely photo! I know quite a few lurcher/cat friendships as well as my two.

Thanks all. Lots of useful things to think about (and some unhinged posts too). I do hear you about the puppy surfeit at the moment. DH and I were discussing how many we can keep. I’ll give some more thought to that in case we have a large litter.

You might make enough money out of your dog for a holiday in Dubai 💴🏖
Kerching! 💰

OP refusing to justify causing pain to a ‘loved’ animal still. My female dog is loved, she’s spayed even though I’ve had numerous people say she’s so lovely I should let her have puppies.

Its not love to force unnecessary pain on an animal in your care.

Human greed is the root of all evil.
Shame on you, just do the right thing and get the poor dog spayed and save a lot of misery all round.

It's because of people like the OP that I think it would be best for people to stop keeping animals as pets. The pain and misery we cause animals is utterly shameful. And these are the animals people profess to love.

I notice she refuses to answer any questions and I don't know whether she is in it for the money or "Aww, puppies" or just because she can. All I do know is that she is willing to put her own dog's life in danger, cause her pain and distress and bring into the world yet more more dogs, some who whom will no doubt suffer at the hands of human beings.
And she will continue to dismiss anyone who questions her as "unhinged".
Shame on the OP. Shame on the whole human race.

Oh, give over @redboxer321
Plenty of bitches whelp litters without undue difficulty. Pet dogs generally have pretty cushy lives.

We know that the ultimate aim of PETA is to take our animals away from us, and that really is unhinged.

@EdithStourton
And plenty of bitches can't. And just because they can, doesn't mean they should.
Plenty of dogs, as well as other pets, lead far from cushy lives. And who are you to judge what is cushy and what is not? And even if a cushy life is what they would choose.
Referring to them as "our animals" says it all really.
Sounds like your livelihood might depend on people wanting pets. Or at least it's a handy little earner.

@EdithStourton
Btw, PETA are trying to stop animal cruelty. If that means that people don't get to keep animals as pets, then so be it.

The country doesn’t need anymore dogs full stop

There’s no pedigree in that they’re not a pedigree breed - but good lurcher breeders keep records, which is a pedigree.

How else do you keep track of whether they share grandparents? Or have too much of a prolific breeders lines in them? Hancock dogs’ for instance, they get everywhere with lurchers.

A lot of inherited health issues aren’t single gene ones, so you don’t really lessen them by crossing, also, nobody with any sense would put together two straight crosses of different things because that just creates a completely unpredictable litter, traits would just show up in each puppy randomly. So both parents would tend to have at least one breed in common in their pedigree so that increases chances of health issues. Plus, some things are caused by conformation, so luxating patella for instance can be genetic or you can breed it in by breeding two dogs with legs verging on the wrong shape.