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Stud Fees

161 replies

ConciseQueen · 09/01/2024 14:26

I have found my bitch a lovely dog to sire pups. The owner of the dog is pretty relaxed, doesn’t want a puppy but has asked me to make an offer of stud fees. He’s stressed nothing is guaranteed from the dogs’ meeting etc.

Neither dog is worth much (lurchers) but they are lovely so I will be able to sell the puppies to cover vet costs if the time comes. How much would you offer for the stud fee?

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caringcarer · 09/01/2024 18:29

rumred · 09/01/2024 18:02

You don't love your dog, you love money. Awful.

No one will want to buy these puppies without the correct paperwork giving the sire and dams eye scores, hip scores etc. You will sell one to your relative then be left with about 8 puppies with no home. Will you be keeping them all?

Kwam31 · 09/01/2024 18:29

And the stud is a cross breed ffs
OP your attitude to your loved dog is disgusting.
What do you do if you can't sell 10 puppies.

GreekDogRescue · 09/01/2024 18:29

TooMuchPinkyPonkJuice · 09/01/2024 18:26

I bet that bastard channel 4 programme sets in motion lots of this. Owners with no fucking clue breeding because awww cute puppies. No thought to the environmental issues, massive overpopulation of dogs issues, no awareness of any health needs etc.

So depressing isn’t it.
If only the breeders would have a few years break to allow all the dogs that have been abandoned to be rehomed, but they don’t care.

SweetPalOMine · 09/01/2024 18:36

Unluckycat1 · 09/01/2024 17:21

God I have to stop reading your flippant replies. I'll just join in with those saying, do not breed your dog. Obviously you still will, as clearly you don't care about a. your dog (breeding is of no benefit to her); and b. the fact that up and down the country there are lurchers needing homes, including an endless stream of puppies, including rough coated, including being gorgeous etc etc.

I have a beautiful lurcher cross. I would never breed from her for all of the above. I will just enjoy her, and if I want another, will rescue another.

Just to add, not that I think you care, lurcher puppies don't go for much. People who want to buy lurchers will sometimes treat them like like tools rather than pets (before discarding of them if they aren't good enough at hunting etc). Many lurchers end up neglected. Do you really think you'll find these puppies good homes? (do you care...)

This. ^^ if you live on a farm, you surely know what a some lurcher puppies end up doing, and how they're treated. Are you going to make sure none of yours end up being used for hunting? Or more breeding?

StopTheBusINeedAWeeWeeAWeeWeeBagOChips · 09/01/2024 18:43

I adore my dog, she is bloody gorgeous, great temperament, literally the perfect pup.

I love her so much I'm going to get her spayed as soon as the vet says it's OK for her breed to get spayed.

I love her so much I don't want to inflict a pregnancy on her, or birth or, God forbid, death, like my friends dog who died during labour even with vet involvement.

Loving owners don't breed their dogs with a crossbreed off pets4homes because they want a cute pup again in a few years, especially when they clearly don't have a clue what they are doing.

somethinginthewater · 09/01/2024 19:05

You know 10 people who want a lurcher pup? Good for you.
Noone in rescue would say that, and there are lurcher puppies being born in rescue every day

RunningFromInsanity · 09/01/2024 19:18

You are not a ‘rescuer’ and it’s insulting to suggest you are.
I cannot believe that anyone who has previously rehomed lurchers would even contemplate breeding them.

The dog rescue I work for currently has 37 lurchers waiting for homes, including puppies and some about 6months old.

RunningFromInsanity · 09/01/2024 19:19

Oh, and your vet is just being professional. Believe me they are not being nice about you once you have left.

tsmainsqueeze · 09/01/2024 19:19

caringcarer · 09/01/2024 18:29

No one will want to buy these puppies without the correct paperwork giving the sire and dams eye scores, hip scores etc. You will sell one to your relative then be left with about 8 puppies with no home. Will you be keeping them all?

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As someone who has owned lurchers in the past and has many years experience in vet practice my opinion is this is a breed that has very few tests done and very little / no paperwork by the breeder /owner.
They are usually great dogs but without me spelling it out it is commonly known that there are a certain 'type' who may be interested in a litter of lurchers and very sadly these dogs become a commodity which is 'disposed' of if it doesn't do what is expected of it.
They can have large litters and even though incredibly cute pups anybody in the know will know what to expect from this breed , i think they are a bit of a 'niche breed'.
The female lurcher i owned was the loveliest sweetest soul , obedient and loyal and her pups would probably have been lovely too but she was spayed as soon as possible , far to precious to me to risk pregnancy and unthinkable that had she had given birth to 10pups i would have found it difficult to find 10 homes in my social circle because of what they were and no way would i have risked letting them go to anyone who i suspected may not be buying one as a pet.

justaboutdonenow · 09/01/2024 19:20

allgrownupnow · 09/01/2024 16:03

OP I think you're getting a hard time here.
It's fine to breed your dog, it is weird that it has become so taboo.
The owner of the dog doesn't seem fussed about money or they would have specified so I'd probably offer 100 and a bottle of wine/dinner or something.
Some considered breeding from pets surely is the perfect antidote to puppy farms. People, understandably, sometimes want a puppy rather than an adult from rescue. And, the clamour around 'full' rescues because of irresponsible back yard breeders doesn't add up because most rescues are full of dogs rescued from abroad. So taking laws of supply and demand into account it seems there aren't enough dogs in this country as they are imported in such numbers.
If more people had one litter from a special pet to pass on to friends and networks for a reasonable price to cover costs it would reduce puppy farming and harm to dog caused by it. Also, the genetic tests are needed because of inbreeding in pedigree populations, much less of an issue when breeding happens as OP proposes.
I understand why there was a strategic move towards more regulated dog breeding but it has led to unfortunate unintended consequences and we need to challenge current thinking.

It's 'taboo' because while rescues are full & puppy farms exist they are literally adding to the problem, no matter how 'good' their reasons are.

Lovely, sweet natured dogs of all ages are being PTS on a daily basis because there aren't enough suitable homes for them.

And don't get me started on that mawkish 'if more people had one litter for their friends & family' bollocks.

It's a dog, a living sentient being, not a fucking sourdough starter.

tsmainsqueeze · 09/01/2024 19:21

RunningFromInsanity · 09/01/2024 19:19

Oh, and your vet is just being professional. Believe me they are not being nice about you once you have left.

Quite true , not much respect for breeders in the vet world.

justaboutdonenow · 09/01/2024 19:22

RunningFromInsanity · 09/01/2024 19:18

You are not a ‘rescuer’ and it’s insulting to suggest you are.
I cannot believe that anyone who has previously rehomed lurchers would even contemplate breeding them.

The dog rescue I work for currently has 37 lurchers waiting for homes, including puppies and some about 6months old.

I must have missed something, as didn't read the thread in its entirety, they're in rescue?!

Yikes.

Messyhair321 · 09/01/2024 19:39

For god's sake stopped being irresponsible. You say that the vet fees will be covered by the sale of the puppies. That's entirely ignorant, if there's issues, it won't be covered by the sale, because it'll cost hundreds & how do your know that puppies will survive at all, additionally - some bitches won't stand for any dog
You realise that there's a real problem with rescues being overwhelmed by unwanted dogs don't you? Read the room & stop being selfish

Nevercloserfortherestofourlives · 09/01/2024 20:02

You still haven’t answered the question regarding all the lurchers in rescue centres needing homes. What do you think about them WRT you breeding even more ?

Nevercloserfortherestofourlives · 09/01/2024 20:04

Can you please answer my question?

Nevercloserfortherestofourlives · 09/01/2024 20:07

What do you think should happen to the lovely lurchers in rescue centres who may have had a home but won’t because you sold one of your puppies to one of those homes .

Ladyofthelake53 · 09/01/2024 20:10

Please dont breed lurchers, rescues are full of them. I have always had lurchers. I have one now. Please dont....

Iheartmysmart · 09/01/2024 20:12

A couple of years ago, my sister stopped at the side of the road on the way home from work and picked up a young lurcher that had been abandoned. Poor thing was skinny as a rake, had an untreated injury to his back leg and was covered in cigarette burns. Unfortunately none of the family could take him in so she had to leave him at the vet. He was in a rescue centre for months waiting for a home.

The situation is far worse now and OP wants to add to it. She should hang her head in shame.

itsmyp4rty · 09/01/2024 20:15

One of the many reasons you're a back street breeder is that you're looking to do this on the cheap with any 'nice' lurcher stud even though it won't have been properly checked.
Honestly you should be ashamed of yourself.

Needtogrowsproutsfordecember · 09/01/2024 20:20

Our neighbour bred his lurcher.. 7 puppies. £100 each. He moved. We took in the dm and the last dpuppy. Gave him not one penny...

Kwam31 · 09/01/2024 20:25

@itsmyp4rty
She mentioned 'stud' is likely a lurcher x bedlington, I'm imagining where this is from and not a cuddly fireside home.

BoobyDazzler · 09/01/2024 20:26

Personally I’d much rather buy a dog from someone who had home bred their own much loved bitch and raised the puppies in their home as part of the family. So many proper licenced breeders seem to treat their many animals like commodities and kennel their dogs. However, lurcher puppies are ten a penny and they’re one of the most often dumped dogs due to being used in coursing, etc so there are loads in rescues. They are treated as disposable by certain groups of people - despite being the best of all dogs.

BoobyDazzler · 09/01/2024 20:27

Kwam31 · 09/01/2024 20:25

@itsmyp4rty
She mentioned 'stud' is likely a lurcher x bedlington, I'm imagining where this is from and not a cuddly fireside home.

Mine is currently laid by the fire 🤷🏽‍♀️

Darklane · 09/01/2024 20:38

Just for information, as you asked specifically about stud fees, In the show world the stud fee is usually the price of a puppy so currently in most breeds £1,000 to £2,500 depending on the actual stud, his history & the breed.

AlwaysGinPlease · 09/01/2024 20:39

somethinginthewater · 09/01/2024 14:43

Have you any idea how many lovely lurchers there are in pounds and rescues here?

THIS

OP you're absolutely fucking disgusting to even consider this.