Absolute Dogs

[FatNoMoreSue]

Well well! Facebook is interesting isn’t it?

I hope the RCVS investigate him

Yes. That is what I have said. Under 12.5 should be taken in context. Above that it's inbreeding and nothing more really.

I am not an expert - my current dog is my first pedigree and one from a breeder but I know breeders and people who show and they would not push the COI that high even to maintain a line. It's not in the breeds best interest and most people who breed for particular traits love the breed.

I wasn’t arguing with you btw, in case it read like that... just still going...

27%!!! Ooft

I've also been going 27% OMFG but I've just had a nosey into my 4% COI boy's family tree and jeez... once you get more than 3 generations back there's a good few dogs lurking in there who could have given the Targaryens a run for their money in their day.

Exhibit A Maesyderwynn Sorceror - product of a grandfather/granddaughter mating, COI 29%, father of 60 odd litters;
Exhibit B a popular Timsgarry stud dog, sired 50+ litters, product of an uncle/niece mating with a COI of 27%.
These are both within the last 20 years, both field trial champion dogs from well regarded big names lines in the gundog world.
Exhibit C Sandford Black Mamba who sired so many puppies he seems to be in just about every WCS pedigree somewhere, must be about 100 litters, product of aunt/nephew mating, COI 26.94%.

I'm not defending her, but plenty of other people have been line breeding. I don't see how the popular sire effect, or a lot of breeding of such closely related individuals, can be a good thing for the gene pool in a breed or its long term health but...lots of people do do it.

My dog is a collie and his COI is 2.6% Vs a breed average of 3.1% - maybe that's to do with the way the breed evolved and the existence of ISDS registration as demonstration of working potential vs kennel club. But tbh I think KC registration encourages bad behaviours in breeders, we certainly were aware of collies being offered by a breeder who is also a KC judge who gave strong puppy farm vibes and we wouldn't have felt comfortable buying a dog from him (to be clear this is unrelated to Absolute Dogs). I don't think that KC registration means anything other than the dog has a verifiable pedigree.

What's the breed average COI for working cocker spaniels?

On the Facebook page they've obviously set up auto decline for comments using the word 'puppy' (two comments from me saying they need to be honest about numbers of puppies being bred declined, then tried with 'young dogs' and it got through). Trying to shut down the conversation about numbers is terrible, and only raises more questions. I guess their plan is to wait it out, delete threads, and sell to newbies while having the faithful bang the drums on the Facebook account.

Its a shame, if they'd handled this differently then I might of stayed. Games based training and the access on line was great, as was the Facebook group.

It’s absolute bollocks that Tom was unaware of all this. She was using his affix! Bloody weasel.

They should be spending some of their millions on good disaster PR advice because they're making a right hash of this. If Tom thinks he can save the AD brand by throwing Lauren under the bus, he's mistaken.

They must think their clients are really thick.

Oh well if AD hit the skids at least in time the agility classes round my way might not be so full of people going “SOO-PAH!” at their dogs 😒

Still be saying ‘check check check’ and ‘weeeeeaaaaavvvers’ though 😂

(stabby stabby - I refuse to use either of those)

Blame Dave Munnings for weaveeeeeeers

What is wrong with just weaves? 😂

I taught the pup to nose target a Pringle lid. I cued it lid. Told not very agility. So I changed it to Pringle. Hips on arms and scowl. So it’s now target. How boring 😂

I thought this captured the PR campaign quite well

I love lid way better than target

I am full of imagination so A for A frame. DW for dog walk!

See for seesaw as usually to breathless to say seesaw

No idea why but poles makes me cringe when people say use it for weavERS sorry weaves

When I say right I always mean left my dogs now know this
When I say left I always mean right they are getting very good at working this out

Despite all of this two have still made it to grade 7. Proves the point that non of them really listen to me anyway they just read the numbers

None of these are as annoying as people who use a fake American accent though.

”Good GURRRRRL!”
”Good JAAAAHB!”

This was the worst kept secret in agility, my first agility trainer worked for them and they were so abusive towards her. She had a close family member die, they didn't care they still wanted her to take classes she was massively underqualified to give in the first place.

When she left they did their upmost to bully her into staying and when they didn't they tried to destroy her reputation.

The overbreeding, cross breeding with dachshunds for the shorter legs is also well known. She wants to keep her spaniels in small, which is why the spaniels she breeds are so small and long.

She keeps them in poor conditions, doesn't allow puppy owners to meet parents or even see where they are raised. This is a massive red flag, no ethical breeder would do this.

I recently was parked next to her van at an agility show, the entire day those dogs were left to bark and scream anytime anyone came within metres of that van. The only time those dogs had any attention was when they were removed to be ran. Very sad existence for them.

Anyone defending them clearly is no true animal lover, she doesn't love her dogs they are just money making machines

Jesus cross bed with dachshunds? Now you mention it that makes sense in terms of their body shape.

If it was so well known why didn’t someone report them? Or is the regulation so crap that it’s difficult to report?

From the fb group messages I think there are a lot of people who just can’t believe she’d mistreat dogs…

Around 6-7 years ago there was a chap employed full time just to look after new puppies.
l have been saying this quietly to close friends for years but had no actual proof. So glad it has finally come to light.
Sadly it is all about £££££ there 🤬

Over a week since this shit-show broke, and LL is STILL all over the Absolute Dogs page.

Not 'stepped away' then....

She was advised by the Kennel Club not to go to the International Agility festival last weekend

To be fair, changing everything on a website isn’t a quick job.

Also, I just don’t believe he knew nothing anyway, so what difference does it make

I find it hard to believe that he had no idea at all.

Of course he knew!!