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Bully breeds

312 replies

Jenzine · 08/07/2023 21:36

There are many understandable concerns regarding these types of dog, and as a dog owner myself, I have taken to avoiding places that I’ve encountered them, as a precaution, because dog aggression is common in them as a breed instinct, just as ratting is to terriers and herding to collies.
Areas I can walk my dogs (I always walk them individually, I don’t trust other people’s training of their dogs, and want to be sure that I can manage any situations that arise, which is always infinitely harder when walking multiple dogs) are vanishing at a fast pace with the baffling popularity of these mutants.
Defenders of these dogs always claim it’s the owner not the breed, however there are bad owners of every breed and most breeds still aren’t killing people fairly regularly. There also seems to be no consideration among the defenders and deniers that even if the dog is genuinely nice and loving, that it could become unwell (brain tumours, neurodegenerative conditions, general sickness) which can make even the friendliest Labrador have a sudden change in behaviour.
If any of my dogs, god forbid, ever get poorly in a way that makes them react aggressively, I know that I’m physically capable of preventing serious injury to myself and others by restraining the dog; I don’t believe the same could ever be said of an American bully XL or their owners.
All this to say, what is the justification for an otherwise reasonable person (not the drug dealers and chavs buying status dogs) with or without children to get one of these dogs? Just “liking them” surely is not an acceptable answer when weighed against the lives of human beings? What can they offer as a companion animal that you cannot get from any other breed of dog that you are actually physically capable of controlling?
How are these enormously heavy and powerful dogs not automatically in violation of the dangerous dogs act just by existing as a creature capable of exerting about 240kg of force at the higher weights of 60kg (dogs being capable of exerting force at 4x their own weight)? I don’t believe any human is capable of controlling these animals physically, and verbal control of dogs is never 100% and as someone with a lurcher, I know that no matter how well my dog recalls in general situations, the moment her prey drive is activated, she will not even hear the command to be able to follow it, which is why she’s only off lead in enclosed fields.

I don’t believe in any of the myths about these dogs perpetuated by either side (E.g the locking jaw myth of the anti-bull breed brigadiers, or the nanny dog myth of the staffy/APBT nutters) dogs are dogs, they can be good/bad, well treated/abused, but I don’t believe that owning dogs is a right, I believe it’s a privilege that is too often abused, even by well-meaning people.
How many times do we have to mourn children and adults before “[dog’s name] has never done this before!” Is no longer something we hear all too often from people with dogs that can’t be restrained by anything less than a cruise ship anchor, after their “loving family pet” has mauled a grown man to death in a park, or dismembered a toddler in their own home?
People often compare this argument to the argument against guns in America, however, a gun is not an autonomous animal capable of physically overpowering its owner and firing itself at will; dogs are.

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shadowchancesassy · 28/07/2023 15:48

*food

thatsnotmylifeitstoocrazy · 28/07/2023 15:55

shadowchancesassy · 27/07/2023 22:47

@ThisOldThang oh leave off. Do you know every xl bully? How you condemning a whole breed because of what a few have done? Any large breed can do the same. Rottweilers are known as baby shakers yet they are acceptable? Thousands of these dogs all over the world but because of the media and scaremongering you think every ones gonna turn? Behave

My pugs shake things!!!!!

ThisOldThang · 28/07/2023 16:18

And why do you think it's impossible to insure these dogs?

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/homeowners-insurance/banned-dog-breed-lists/

"Pit bulls of all types top the list.
Many major insurers’ filings specifically state that coverage won’t be provided to households where these dogs live. And they won’t renew a policy if the presence of a “vicious dog” is discovered in the home."

You've not addressed whether children are in the home with an oversized pitbull.

I'd recommended scrolling through this subreddit. Owning a pitbull is just not worth the risk.

https://www.reddit.com/r/banpitbulls/top/?t=all

Dog Breeds Banned By Home Insurance Companies

Aside from natural disasters and water, the three things that give home insurance companies agita are dogs, pools and trampolines. Basically anything fun. The problem with dogs is the expensive liability claims against the dog owners. Homeowners insur...

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/homeowners-insurance/banned-dog-breed-lists

shadowchancesassy · 28/07/2023 16:28

@ThisOldThang yep like I said we knew he couldn't be insured. But that's fine and all sorted 👍🏼

AlwaysTheSupplierNeverTheBride · 28/07/2023 16:34

shadowchancesassy · 28/07/2023 16:28

@ThisOldThang yep like I said we knew he couldn't be insured. But that's fine and all sorted 👍🏼

So no third party liability insurance either? That comes as standard on most pet insurance policies.

shadowchancesassy · 28/07/2023 16:37

@AlwaysTheSupplierNeverTheBride nope no insurance.

sanityisamyth · 28/07/2023 19:27

shadowchancesassy · 28/07/2023 16:37

@AlwaysTheSupplierNeverTheBride nope no insurance.

So if your dog does attack someone or something in the street, how are you going to pay for the costs when they sue you?

ThisOldThang · 28/07/2023 20:34

I expect it will be a classic case of 'pit and run'.

But 'responsible owners'....

shadowchancesassy · 28/07/2023 23:39

@sanityisamyth money.

sanityisamyth · 29/07/2023 08:14

shadowchancesassy · 28/07/2023 23:39

@sanityisamyth money.

Obviously ... it could be tens or hundreds of thousands though? If someone is off work and claims loss of earnings? That animal could do some considerably damage.

shadowchancesassy · 29/07/2023 08:35

@sanityisamyth it could be yeah but luckily we can cover it

CellophaneFlower · 29/07/2023 09:07

@shadowchancesassy I see you do have young children hence avoiding the question. Also, last month you brought home 2 sibling puppies.

Do you make poor choices a lot in your life?

shadowchancesassy · 29/07/2023 09:15

@CellophaneFlower I have no obligation to answer any questions on here if I don't like the tone of the poster. I've never hid the fact I have children if you want to check some more you'll see I've said I have kids on other bully threads 👍🏼

And yep the the Cockapoos were the best decision ever and I've had no issues like people said I would.

I think next week I'm going to buy a cane corso so keep checking for updates ☺️

CellophaneFlower · 29/07/2023 09:20

Whether you've been incredibly lucky with the puppies is irrelevant. The fact you bought them in the first place shows you don't have a sound knowledge of dog ownership and makes your choice of owning a bully even more concerning.

shadowchancesassy · 29/07/2023 09:29

@CellophaneFlower I don't own him my husband does 🥰

sanityisamyth · 29/07/2023 09:57

shadowchancesassy · 29/07/2023 08:35

@sanityisamyth it could be yeah but luckily we can cover it

You've got potentially hundreds of thousands of pounds set aside in case your animal savages someone 🤔🤔🤔

shadowchancesassy · 29/07/2023 10:08

@sanityisamyth of course, any respectful owner should in these circumstances.

sanityisamyth · 29/07/2023 10:29

shadowchancesassy · 29/07/2023 10:08

@sanityisamyth of course, any respectful owner should in these circumstances.

"Respectful" owners don't buy such animals in the first place that are on an insurance black list.

shadowchancesassy · 29/07/2023 10:38

@sanityisamyth well he's loved and cared for and that's all that should matter to a dog loving fan like yourself 🥰

AlwaysTheSupplierNeverTheBride · 29/07/2023 10:43

shadowchancesassy · 29/07/2023 08:35

@sanityisamyth it could be yeah but luckily we can cover it

I'm not sure you fully appreciate how expensive personal injury claims can be

£35,000 for an overfriendly dog who merely jumped up and knocked a woman over
https://www.slatergordon.co.uk/newsroom/compensation-for-woman-attacked-by-dog/

£28,000 for a bitten arm
https://www.accidentclaims.co.uk/compensation-amounts/28000-compensation-payout-awarded-to-a-dog-bite-victim-settlement-amounts-case-study

£12,000 after a dog jumped a garden fence and bit a passing child. Home insurance refused to pay out and the owner was personally liable
https://www.dogbitesolicitors.co.uk/case-studies/bitten-by-a-dangerous-dog

£55,000 for a dog bite
https://www.dogbitesolicitors.co.uk/case-studies/dog-attack

£60,000 for a woman whose fingers were bitten through the letterbox
https://www.dogbitesolicitors.co.uk/case-studies/bitten-while-delivering

Are you honestly telling me that you have £60,000+ in the bank available to payout in the event of such a claim?

If you are even slightly responsible you'll take out Dogs Trust membership for £25 per year which covers you for third party liability claims, even by XL Bullies.
https://www.dogstrust.org.uk/support-us/membership

shadowchancesassy · 29/07/2023 10:47

@AlwaysTheSupplierNeverTheBride yeah we've got that. Thanks will look into it.

GettingStuffed · 29/07/2023 10:54

According to the AKC ( American Kennel Club) bullies are ideal family dogs 🥴

sanityisamyth · 29/07/2023 10:58

GettingStuffed · 29/07/2023 10:54

According to the AKC ( American Kennel Club) bullies are ideal family dogs 🥴

Worrying! The Americans also think assault rifles are good company too though!

shadowchancesassy · 29/07/2023 11:07

@GettingStuffed they are great dogs. Lots of places say the same it's only the media that have stereotyped them. Ours gets on with everyone and he meets countless amount of people each week.

CellophaneFlower · 29/07/2023 13:26

The media can say what they like, but the statistics speak for themselves.